Why aren't people vaccinating against measles?

[TableTurners]

Just read about the measles outbreak in Enfield and Haringey at the moment - just wondering why a lot of people aren't vaccinating again measles these days?

Apparently the UK has lost it's measles free status or something, just seems weird to me that we're letting something old fashioned like this go rife again.

People who do not vaccinate are very selfish as they are always relying on others to do it.
If the uptake is low, the Government needs to make a conscious effort to vaccinate in nurseries, preschools and primary schools.
They vaccinate via nasal spray in primaries already. Injections are a different matter as it is generally thought that young children would prefer the comfort of a parent present.
They already vaccinate HPV and DTAP in secondaries.

I remember having my BCG - parents came to the school for your apt

They have an optional yearly flu nasal spray, it’s not the same as the MMR.

I'm not so sure about that. Where would it stop? Would we even be allowed outside in this type of scenario?

Plenty of countries do - I don’t think it’s a slippery slope as some say

its just too important to be wishy washy over

for those of you saying it’s just idiots it isn’t - look at the biggest anti Vaxer Novak dJochovich - he nearly missed Australian open or did he because he was so up his own arse over it

Genuinely though, I'm obvs a bit thick, but if you all have vaccinated your children why would you be bothered to those how haven't? I don't get the vitriol to the unvaccinated tbh, your children are ok, so those who don't vaccine are taking the risk with their children no? Or am I missing the point

Vaccinations aren’t 100% effective - they don’t provide immunity to every individual who gets one, but if enough of a population gets it, herd immunity protects everyone.

There are also children who cannot be vaccinated for medical reasons who rely on herd immunity to protect them.

Some children can’t have vaccines because of long term health conditions - my DD has no immunity and has been hospitalised by “normal” childhood illnesses so is put at greater risk by the lack of herd immunity.

Children too young for vaccines are put at risk.

Adults with low immune systems - say because of taking transplant medications or cancer treatments - and pregnant women can be in danger from some of the illnesses.

German measles is really dangerous to pregnant women and can render their unborn child disabled

also vaccines work together - as we are seeing now - there needs to be high uptake - that’s why it’s so infuriating - the reason we are so mad about it is that the people not vaccinating their children are enabling an awful illness to return and inflict the vulnerable

some children can’t have the vaccine for medical reasons and they needing Sheilding by the rest of the population being vaccinated so the disease can’t take hold

Imv it’s one of the most selfish things parents can do

I wonder this too @TableTurners They offer vaccinations for covid, flu, shingles, pneumonia etc, but not for measles. I would like it, but when I asked my GP Practice, I was told that I must have had it when I was a child. (1970s.) But I am 100% sure I didn't. I have never found any evidence of it. And I do not remember it. I remember the polio one, and the TB one, but not any measles one...

It’s madness. My MIL never had any of her kids vaccinated. I was up to date with all mine, but it was found I had no immunity to measles with my first pregnancy. Got the MMR after I gave birth. With my second the immunity was present.
Both my kids are fully up to date with everything.

I grew up in a 3rd world country. All vaccines & eye test were done in school. I still remember it. Both my kids had to have BCG’s, had to take them to a hospital to do it. With a specialist doctor.

There are lots of anti vaxxers on social media. Usually the type who won’t get their kids vaccinated, didn’t believe in Covid, alwyas bang on about homeschooling, chem trails and the like, sunscreen causes cancer but still go on holiday all the time and have their Botox.

Yes but also some people are lazy and just want an excuse not to do something.

Honestly I think it needs to be a requirement in order to access state education. We live overseas and you have to be 100% up to speed with all vaccines even in kindergarten. University too. They chase you if you are not fully immunised and after a certain time if you can't prove you've had everything necessary you have to leave school/uni. I imagine if you are unable to have them for medical reasons you are excused. But nobody else should be.

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Pendantic much and adding nothing

It’s very scary for me. I had my antibodies checked as I’m entering the NHS and it was found I have no immunity to measles. I can’t have the vaccine again because of a condition I have.

So if measles returns in force I am in danger despite being vaccinated as a child. More adults than you think may have no immunity to it.

Just clarifying - important with arguments to be clear

medicating children is emotive and that’s why you said it then objected to correction

Vaccinations are compulsory here in Aus to get into most day cares & get subsidies. Even staunch anti vaxxer SIL got her done quickly to get into the daycare attached to their school of choice.

But, we've just had measles confirmed in our regional city, and cases all over the country after years of being free of it. This is due to mass immigration, where vaccinations aren't compulsory for some reason. We also have had scabies (DD's just had her second bout) & gp said he hadn't seen it since he was doing aid work overseas 20 years ago. Plus other diseases like chicken pox etc. aree popping up. It needs to be compulsory for entry or visa.

Nah. It’s pedantry with a dashing of arseyness

The anti-vax fear messaging has been very successful and I agree with others the second you speak about childrens safety things are incredibly emotive.

My parents ran a GP medical practice in the 1990s and my mum (the nurse) had to book parents in for 2 sessions to go through all the details with them. It was a nightmare for them because it was understandable that they were concerened that their kids were going to get autism and there was of course a risk. At least all of their kids were vaccinated on schedule so when asked if they woudl vaccinate they could say the did on time.

What I don't understand is what is the purpose of the fear mongering. What are the people spreading the message gaining from it?

Is that immigration from NZ. I know that uptake here has been quite low and lots of people have jumped the ditch in the last 18 months.

From what I understand there is a healthy amount of people in this group who are middle-class and well educated so they are questioning everything. From the outbreak in Auckland the locations of interest are in cafes in the CBD not in the surburbs that have a high populations of migrants.

I suppose they have a high tourist population which could explain it.