Name a better trio than Onion, Garlic & Ginger - Trump Thread #155

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Blood clot, Announcement, Champagne.

(Shamelessly stolen from @Justsaynonow 's
post on the last thread)

Previous thread:
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/_chat/5482659-whatever-atrocity-is-next-trump-thread-154

Did anything with this or was it fake news?

What amuses me about all this 10 commandments stuff, is that there are multiple set of them in the Bible

Exodus 20:2-17 are the classic ones, that Chuck Heston carried down from the volcano, and there is Duet 5:6-21. They use different words and expressions, but the same sort of idea. There are another couple of partial descriptions.

But it gets a bit strange. Because remember Chuck threw the stones with the commandments at the crowd over the golden calf thing. Killed 3000, so the Bible says.

Well, Moses remade them. Not Chuck, that was not in the film. Exodus 34:1 onwards describes that. The Covenant renewed has this odd line:

Exo 34:19-20 - "All opening a womb [are] Mine, and every firstling of your livestock born a male, [whether] ox or sheep ;and you ransom the firstling of a donkey with a lamb; and if you do not ransom, then you have beheaded it; you ransom every firstborn of your sons, and they do not appear before Me empty." (LSV)

There is some debate if that line means the first born son should be sacrificed.

Also in the new set of ten, this has been added.

Exo 34:26" You bring the first of the first-fruits of the land into the house of your God YHWH. You do not boil a kid in its mother's milk."

If my DD went to a public school were the 10 commandments were hung on the wall by law, I would be in that school office super quick, armed with a Bible. " Why are you putting THAT set up on the wall when it was superseded by THIS set, look at the Bible"

:-)

Oh, yes. Far too woke for them.

Because the New Testament pretty much contradicts it wherever possible.

Basically you could not get a rizla skin between Jewish and Christian fundamentalists.

https://www.cnbc.com/2026/02/19/trump-kennedy-glyphosate-maha-midterms-rfk-jr.html

Re the 10 commandments. I read a fair bit of US evangelical apologetics. ( Good for getting to sleep).

I am convinced the US version of right leaning Christianity is why Republicans lie so easily. Because their religion trains them to do it. Even the term "Christian Apologetics" reeks of dishonesty.

I think it is more of a US thing, because so many evangelicals are taught that the Bible is 100% true. So when someone who believes in Adam and Eve, Noah's flood etc, are presented with evolution and geology, they have to not understand the logical evidence. And they do courses in apologetics where they are taught to argue against evidence, by basically being dishonest.

It's Yes Minister again. The episode " The Greasy Pole".

Joan Littler: "What I insist on knowing is what is the actual difference between dioxin and metadioxin."
Sir Humphrey: "Well, that's quite simple. Metadioxin is an inert compound of dioxin."
Jim Hacker: "I think I follow that, Humphrey, but could you explain it a little more clearly?"
Sir Humphrey: "In what sense, Minister?"
Joan Littler: "What does inert mean?"
Sir Humphrey: "It means it is not......ert."

On subject though, is Trump never actually going to do a Bill or an Act ever again? I see that article mentions a Bill for later.... but come on.

And of course, Trump is doing his command economy again. More Maoism.

There are various flawed (as I understand it) understandings (a word that needs to be used very guardedly here) around all major religions that they allow their adherents to treat non adherents as sub human. The Untermensch, to use a word that seemed to appear in my mind.

The old testament is particularly suited to that line of interpretation.

And I have direct experience of being told that Muslims have no reason to respect non Muslims.

Obviously if you are going to build your Brave New World around religion, you need to pick the right one. And if you can't find one that supports you, then you will just have to invent one. After all, who'd notice ?

Hence the establishment clause, as we all know. The US founding fathers were totally clear, no state religion, because what one ?

I suppose the US constitution is similar to the Bible. People can read it with reason and logic, and say " I think this means XYZ".

But it seems the founding fathers, those slave owners, could not foresee the Republican Party :-)

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion,"

Repugs be like.... that means we are a Christian country.

regarding bibleists... look up hobby lobby/green family/bible museum

mind boggling
it's a totally different world

as to the lds curch mormons and their book... (speaking of bending religion to their needs)

Yup, Joseph Smith : " Ohh, I like her. I FEEL A VISION COMING ON. Hey, God told me that men should have a lot of wifes".

Don't get too misty eyed about the founding fathers.. They had one job to do. And that was ensure the "natural order of things" was built into whatever replaced Monarchy. Luckily the colonialists were proto-MAGA tax dodging racists, so that was the easy bit.

In hindsight, it's entirely possible that they foresaw what is happening because it's what they wanted to happen. Why else make such a show of aping the Roman Republic ?

Indeed. We could talk about the birth control stuff. But I prefer the story about them buying forged Dead Sea Scrolls. And them being done for smuggling antiquities out of Iraq. Slap on the wrist for that.

As honest as ....

The issue of schools + 10 commandments is wending its way through the courts in TX, AR, and I expect soon in LA. It'll end up before SCOTUS.

AR: A federal district court granted a preliminary injunction against the law requiring posting in schools (8/2025). Appeal of injunction currently pending with 8th circuit Court of Appeals.

TX: Federal judge previously ordered the removal of these displays by December 2025, finding them unconstitutional, Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton has appealed to 5th circuit Court of Appeals. Arguments were heard in January 2026.

LA: 5th circuit Court of Appeals decision 'vacated' previous court's decision, saying it was 'too soon' for an appeal because the 10c 'are not yet posted'. It's expected that ACLU will file another appeal ASA they are on the wall.

The next step for AR & TX will be SCOTUS. LA will be back to the Court of Appeals.

note: both TX and LA are governed by the same court of appeals, one known to be very conservative.

IT'S UP TO 15% NOW

Just clipped this from Sky news:

"Based on a thorough, detailed, and complete review of the ridiculous, poorly written, and extraordinarily anti-American decision on Tariffs issued yesterday, after MANY months of contemplation, by the United States Supreme Court, please let this statement serve to represent that I, as President of the United States of America, will be, effective immediately, raising the 10% Worldwide Tariff on Countries, many of which have been "ripping" the U.S. off for decades, without retribution (until I came along!), to the fully allowed, and legally tested, 15% level."

His Truth.

So he is doing this to somehow punish SCOTUS ?

Or is it a pump and dump sort of thing again. So he can feed insider info to Kavenagh ?

That comment about him and his stocks was never explained.

I love the way he describes the decision as 'poorly written' 😁

Futures market in popcorn is peaking for 21st July.

Is that when the new bill for farmers subsidies is due ?

You know, for the farmers who are going bankrupt because of his tariff wars.

Honestly, the admin that this man creates, imagine having to try to sort out his every ridiculous whim, only for it to be cancelled half way through, I bet a lot of the time they don’t even bother starting.

You think that's in any way not deliberate ?

A pub I used to drink in back in the day had an early web connected till thing. One time the price went up mid round. I was not happy.

I would imagine this is a nightmare for the shippers. Don't dock just yet, the tariffs might go down tomorrow.

I can imagine it. This container 10%. DING DING TRUTH ALERT. Next container 15%.

This is where a lot of people will discover they were well shafted by their software vendors.

I once had to work with software that was unable to have more than one VAT instance in play. Which meant that when the rate changed, it changed for all transactions - even historic ones. Rather that pursue the vendors, the IT team had to retrofit an extra layer to rectify the issue.

That must have been interesting when there were two different rates of VAT on different goods at the same time.

Like at the moment. The standard VAT rate is 20%, but for "Energy-saving materials permanently installed in dwellings and buildings used for a relevant residential purpose providing the total cost of them (not including VAT) is not over 60% of the cost of the installation of the products (not including VAT)" the rate is 5%, as it also is for mobility aids for the elderly, smoking cessation products — nicotine patches and gum but not vapes for some obscure reason to do with large tobacco companies — heating fuels for residential use by a charity, various heat sources like oil-fired boilers (does that include Agas used to heat water systems?), connection and reconnection to the gas supply, some caravans.... The list goes on.