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Labour isn't working - Thread 27

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TheNuthatch · 09/02/2026 17:26

A chat thread for those who don't like this Labour government. 💙 🩵

The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.

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zurigo · 12/02/2026 17:34

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 12/02/2026 13:58

They did suspend Angela Rayner last Summer.

Fat lot of good that did! She laid low for about three nanoseconds and now she's back. Lucky us 😠

EmeraldRoulette · 12/02/2026 18:08

I was thinking that the BP and the general dragging of heels on the Supreme Court judgement was probably going to be linked to the EU. And here we are.

i'm so tired of all my bonkers theories being true. Honestly, if you have children, I don't know how people are coping. I can barely cope. And the amount of crazy that's going round is sending everybody mad.

Upstartled · 12/02/2026 18:18

I was fortunate enough to get a heads up of the social contagion from MN before it arrived in any formidable way in my neck of the woods. I was able to talk to my kids about dubious truth claims and language games before it was under their nose. A owe a big gratitude of thanks to the I am Spartacus threads.

EasternStandard · 12/02/2026 18:49

Upstartled · 12/02/2026 18:18

I was fortunate enough to get a heads up of the social contagion from MN before it arrived in any formidable way in my neck of the woods. I was able to talk to my kids about dubious truth claims and language games before it was under their nose. A owe a big gratitude of thanks to the I am Spartacus threads.

Same. Mn has been great on this hence some getting very angry that it exists or that women are speaking up. Even some pro Labour posters.

Fortunately women are getting somewhere despite them.

Pacificsunshine · 12/02/2026 20:05

EasternStandard · 12/02/2026 18:49

Same. Mn has been great on this hence some getting very angry that it exists or that women are speaking up. Even some pro Labour posters.

Fortunately women are getting somewhere despite them.

Same here.

CaveMum · 12/02/2026 20:08

The title of this week’s Political Currency made me chuckle.

Labour isn't working - Thread 27
DiySteve · 12/02/2026 20:29

More than a million NHS staff in England will receive a 3.3 per cent pay rise from April in an award that will add to cost pressures and limit the scope for the government to end long-running strikes by resident doctors.

Whereistheejectbutton · 12/02/2026 20:53

I had to laugh when I saw my pension projection assumed 5 percent Pa wage rises 😂 as if!

justasking111 · 12/02/2026 22:44

Question Time from Bristol tonight

JaneVtwaddle · 12/02/2026 23:17

Yes I'm very grateful as well. One post was astonishing and explained it all so beautifully ..I hadn't hooked into it before then.

What a travesty wreaked on our school's and young. My own establishment felt the wave ...everything went rainbow.

Thanks for all those amazing posters. And Jane !

EmeraldRoulette · 12/02/2026 23:26

@EasternStandard "Fortunately women are getting somewhere despite them."

I can't agree. I wrote my first letter to the local MP about this in 2004 when the GRA was being drafted.

I had a lot of concerns, but if someone told me things would be this bad in 2026, I would not have believed it. And I'm a pessimist.

Sadly, this is not the only thing that's a lot worse! And today it looks like the government have decriminalised the carrying of a knife if you're under 17, again I'm not sure if I've understood this correctly.

But hey, you can get vouchers if you participate in a puberty blockers programme!

<headdesk>

LupaMoonhowl · 13/02/2026 06:32

Whereistheejectbutton · 12/02/2026 15:37

KS, RR ‘more to do’ and BP - they’re the worst…oh look, the only thing growing is the public spending investment they’ve done.

I would not call it ‘investment’! That suggests strategy and a reasonable expectation of a positive return /they just blow out on trying to buy votes from their client dependents.

DameProfessorIDareSay · 13/02/2026 09:14

Parliament is now in recess until 23rd Feb but I doubt that will stop the Labour party from doing anything stupid; keep your eyes peeled for things being sneaked out when many political journalists will have their eye off the ball.

Talking of balls, the (not very) 'Good Law Project’ took the EHRC to court last year on the lawfulness of EHRC's Interim Update on practical implications of FWS Supreme Court decision for single sex services.

Decision will be handed down today sometime after 11am. This is the case where the lawyers for the govt. appeared to be arguing against the Supreme Court ruling! Gosh, saying one thing then doing the exact opposite; who would have believed it?

"in a piece of logic that appears to have been sourced from transactivist social media, the government’s submissions now argue that perhaps the single-sex and separate-sex exceptions don’t apply to such everyday facilities as separate men’s and women’s toilets at all. "

See Sex Matters for background to this case:

https://sex-matters.org/posts/updates/the-government-is-trying-to-rewrite-for-women-scotland/

Some believe Phillipson has been hoping this case will get her out of releasing the EHRC Code of Practice...

The government is “trying to rewrite For Women Scotland”

On 12th November 2025 the Prime Minister responded to a question in Parliament about the For Women Scotland case, saying that “the Supreme Court ruling

https://sex-matters.org/posts/updates/the-government-is-trying-to-rewrite-for-women-scotland/

strawberrybubblegum · 13/02/2026 09:16

LupaMoonhowl · 13/02/2026 06:32

I would not call it ‘investment’! That suggests strategy and a reasonable expectation of a positive return /they just blow out on trying to buy votes from their client dependents.

Absolutely. By definition, something is only an investment if there is a reasonable expectation that it will directly result in an increased return later - and generally that the expected increase in return should be more than the amount spent to get it. In real terms.

Otherwise it's just consumption.

So increased welfare spending almost certainly isn’t an investment. There might be an increase in wellbeing, but it is unlikely to translate into increased work, especially given that it reduces incentives. So it's just consumption.

Interestingly, Tony Blair's investment in education arguably didn't bring a significant return, as productivity flat-lined. It was expected to improve productivity in the UK, but didn't. So economically, we shouldn't claim education spending as investment - the first time it was an investment which proved ineffective, but now that we know it doesn't work, we have to accept that it is consumption. We may still decide as a country to increase education spending (I would like us to) but we should be clear that it's consumption (on a good we value - education - which improves our happiness as a nation) rather than investment.

Too many on the left make qualitative assumptions based on their values/ideology - eg that increasing education spending will increase productivity, or that increasing health spending will reduce worklessness - without the discipline to look quantitatively at what actually happens. Ie whether their assumption proves correct when applied.

DenizenOfAisleOfShame · 13/02/2026 09:33

strawberrybubblegum · 13/02/2026 09:16

Absolutely. By definition, something is only an investment if there is a reasonable expectation that it will directly result in an increased return later - and generally that the expected increase in return should be more than the amount spent to get it. In real terms.

Otherwise it's just consumption.

So increased welfare spending almost certainly isn’t an investment. There might be an increase in wellbeing, but it is unlikely to translate into increased work, especially given that it reduces incentives. So it's just consumption.

Interestingly, Tony Blair's investment in education arguably didn't bring a significant return, as productivity flat-lined. It was expected to improve productivity in the UK, but didn't. So economically, we shouldn't claim education spending as investment - the first time it was an investment which proved ineffective, but now that we know it doesn't work, we have to accept that it is consumption. We may still decide as a country to increase education spending (I would like us to) but we should be clear that it's consumption (on a good we value - education - which improves our happiness as a nation) rather than investment.

Too many on the left make qualitative assumptions based on their values/ideology - eg that increasing education spending will increase productivity, or that increasing health spending will reduce worklessness - without the discipline to look quantitatively at what actually happens. Ie whether their assumption proves correct when applied.

Labelling government spending as “investment” has long been a Labour tactic to mislead.

There’s a case for more public spending - and a better case for tighter control on public spending - but whatever one’s view on it, it should at least be discussed honestly.

I do realise that’s a vain hope with this government of liars and incompetents.

DiySteve · 13/02/2026 10:59

Judges: Proscription ‘interferes with ECHR rights’

The High Court ruled that the proscription of Palestine Action involved “very significant interference” with protesters’ rights under the European Convention of Human Rights (ECHR).

Lawyers for Huda Ammori, the group’s co-founder, had argued that the group’s proscription “amounted to an unjustified interference with the rights protected by the European Convention on Human Rights”.

In its judgment, the court concluded: “Considering in the round the evidence available to the Home Secretary when the decision to proscribe was made, the nature and scale of Palestine Action’s activities, so far as they comprise acts of terrorism, has not yet reached the level, scale and persistence that would justify the application of the criminal law measures that are the consequence of proscription, and the very significant interference with Convention rights consequent on those measures.”

I realise that is not a Labour-generated issue, but it should play into Reform’s hands.

Pacificsunshine · 13/02/2026 13:04

Just enjoying a podcast at lunch. Best quote:

“Starmer is obsessed with smart casual outfits in his meetings and apparently messages go out the night before insisting that everybody turns up in smart casual.”

From The Edition: Labour turns on Starmer – inside the collapse, with Guto Harri, Tim Shipman & Toby Young, 13 Feb 2026
podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/the-edition/id1436994451?i=1000749539003&r=234
This material may be protected by copyright.

Upstartled · 13/02/2026 14:02

Good article by Julie Bindel on the horrors of the grooming gang scandal.

Revealing the full horror of the grooming gangs scandal

www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/5f84eb55eb18f47c

boys3 · 13/02/2026 14:06

Labour votes at a couple of council by-elections yesterday.

Ward in Peterborough 17% vs 43% when last contested. previously Labour held, came 4th yesterday. Reform won with 29%, just ahead of Greens 27%, then Cons 22%.

Ward in Bradford. 12% vs 32% when last contested. Con held with 52% of vote, slight drop from 56% previously. Greens and LDs also saw small percentage fall. Reform 2nd with 26%.

Fishguard a bit earlier in the week. Plaid gained from Labour, Labour just pipped an independent to come 4th out of 7. 11% of vote vs 59% last time, albeit that was a two horse race with Cons.

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EasternStandard · 13/02/2026 15:55

boys3 · 13/02/2026 14:06

Labour votes at a couple of council by-elections yesterday.

Ward in Peterborough 17% vs 43% when last contested. previously Labour held, came 4th yesterday. Reform won with 29%, just ahead of Greens 27%, then Cons 22%.

Ward in Bradford. 12% vs 32% when last contested. Con held with 52% of vote, slight drop from 56% previously. Greens and LDs also saw small percentage fall. Reform 2nd with 26%.

Fishguard a bit earlier in the week. Plaid gained from Labour, Labour just pipped an independent to come 4th out of 7. 11% of vote vs 59% last time, albeit that was a two horse race with Cons.

Some big drops for Labour there. Sometimes I read comments from pro Labour on here and wonder why they’re missing how badly they’re perceived.

DancingFerret · 13/02/2026 17:09

I do wonder what Starmer will find to do when he's finally ejected from No.10 and no longer able to globe-trot at our expense. He's in Munich tonight for the security summit, televised smiling and generally being (apparently) charming.

NoWordForFluffy · 13/02/2026 17:35

I can't imagine 'charming' from him at all. He's too robotic / nasal!

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