Angela Raynor being talked about as possible leader? Surely not.

[Ozgirl76]

I get the point of Raynor - she’s the modern Prescott, the “Everyman”, the one who the trad Labour voters might identify with, with the vaping, clubbing and tax evasion.

But as a leader on the world stage? Have we learnt nothing from Boris? Having a deeply unserious leader is surely not what the U.K. needs now, in this time of global turmoil?

Honestly if she becomes leader the U.K. will be an absolute laughing stock.

Quite.

There are plenty of women in prominent positions - we just don’t need someone who lacks any gravitas and is a cheat (not just the unpaid tax, she was lying about main residence).

She doesn't pass the pub test though. She passes the champagne socialist pretending to be working class pub test. Most of US council house working single mums strive to be better and give our children better she strives to mimic and patronize us, lie to us and cheat us.

And do we want a party who can't agree on anything with their own party running the country? Especially these days when world wide crises might swallow us up. FFS there might be a war and climate chaos is having more and more of a terrible effect.

We tend to mimic the US, and this situation is no exception. Character and integrity don’t often feature in these decisions.

I have gone off Streeting. He is usually a very effective communicator but I don't think he has handled the doctors' strikes especially well, and I gather he was also quite a fan of Mandelson.

Bridget Phillipson is another northern woman but she comes across as intelligent (even if I disagree with most things she does). It’s nothing to do with being northern, female or whatever class. It’s the content that comes out of the mouth, not the accent it’s delivered in.

Oh dear Lord !

I’m a life long Labour voter but please no.

The HMRC thing shows her to be naive and a bit stupid - I really don’t want someone who didn’t think ‘better check that complicated issue with the correct expert’ running the country. Nothing to do with social class or sex, just not good enough.

I wasn't impressed when she described Tories as 'scum' (she had to apologise, of course). So tired of that kind of language in politics.

Is this what it's come to

• someone who green lights injustifiable medical experiments on children

Or

• someone who is either too incompetent or too dishonest to buy a house without scamming on tax, thinks humans can change sex and calls the opposition scum?

Desperate.

One trait I absolutely can not stand is politicians who try working their way up and then leave when they hit a ceiling. Career politicians. Don't even leave to do related work - I mean did you really want to do work to benefit society? Then you just didn't care anymore and went to Facebook? I can't call if Starmer will go back on the benches after this or skulk off to something monied, which says a lot about him.

I want a vocational MP and a vocational PM. Like Gordon Brown. I detest Teresa May but at least when demoted she remained an MP.

If Labour actually want any hope in hell of surviving the next election they need to start being a party for the working people. ALL their policies affect the squeezed middle and small business! I regret EVER giving this bunch of inadequates my vote! The benefits system needs SERIOUS reform and they are too weak to actually push through change! if they had any common sense they would try and make life easier for working people. We on a minimum or modest wage are all struggling and being pushed into poverty and everyone is fed up!

starmer bleating on about saving £120 a year on energy bills as if he’s given us all massive windfall. When bills for my small flat are £300 a month in the winter it’s laughable! I want to hear how they plan on tackling energy costs! Instead we’ve got Millaband bringing in all these insane policies like grants for solar panels and heat pumps! It’s the blind leading the blind! They can’t even run a bath!

and free breakfast clubs - what a joke! Even if they did roll them out to every school this is half an hour of free childcare, that won’t have proper funding and will put more pressure schools and teaching staff! Their policies are all weak and so badly thought through! They flip flop at every move! I regret ever voting for them! I thought it couldn’t get worse than the Tories and I was so wrong!

Rayner actually played a blinder in HoC the other day with the ISC amendment. Karl Turner said she saved Labour on that and he is likely right.

Out of all these names floated I think she actually can get MPs loyalty and backing more than anyone else mentioned.

What Labour do with that I guess we’ll see. And I think KB is formidable so it’s just why not have two strong women for a change. Fed up with gaslighting men à la Starmer.

Also I forgot to add they need to actually hold the big businesses to account too!

A lot of the people Angela Rayner claims to represent feel betrayed by her - it's clearly one rule for her and another for other working class people.

Question isn’t to me i appreciate but why do people always fall back on the lazy argument that it’s her class or being a woman which is why people don’t think she’d make a good leader . I’m a working class northern woman , it’s not a protected characteristic.

Hell no it would be out of the frying pan into the fire. She's as bad as her (former) best mate 2 tier Kier 😬

Because the left are obsessed with identity politics at the expense of all other thinking

No no it can’t be that, you are clearly anti working class. I wonder what she’d have to do to get people to stop saying you only don’t like her because she’s northern. She could probably kill a puppy and anyone who objected would be told to check their privilege and thar she was a teenage mother.

its the two things can be true effect. We can acknowledge that she’s done well from a difficult start whilst also having the opinion that she isn’t pm material.

How do the government expect people to respect them and trust them to do the right thing

when you have people in the government cheating lying being evasive appointing friends into positions of power

they are all pretty much corrupt
years ago if a politician had an affair they were generally kicked out of the party
there was some sort of genetal
agreement that to be a leader , politician you had to have higher standards of integrity
None of them seem to have that

I do like Kemi and I hope she can carry on holding labour to account

I expect the objection is all of the above. How very dare she exist?

Absolutely not, we need someone who can be a true statesman/woman someone who knows how to command the world stage. I just despair if Rayner gets in, she’s just a loudmouth with no real presence about her.
This country is falling down and down the world scale, we’re becoming diminished, it’s painful to watch its demise.
We need a prime minister who can truly be a world leader and sadly I can’t think of anyone who will fit the bill … oh and it’s definitely not that awful man Nigel Farage!

I think someone who sets up, but doesn’t take the time to either understand a complicated tax arrangement or delegate that responsibility, isn’t really fit to lead this country.

Years ago it was just that we didn’t know as much about our politicians. The ones who resigned were just the tip of the iceberg - those who got caught.

Rayner has very good political instincts, much more so than Starmer.

I heard Jeremy Corbyn bring interviewed by Mark Steel, and the point was made that the right will draw up a list of 10 aims they more or less agree on as ok and get on with trying to implement them. The left draw up a list of 9 things everyone whole heartedly supports then spends their time arguing about the 10th not everyone quite agrees with. Getting nothing done and tearing apart.

I am not advocating for Jeremy Corbyn as PM!

I want a PM who will entertain cross party working and listening to all if it's for the greater good on an issue, not someone with playground ideas about whose gang you are in.