Help end medical misogyny. Sign our petition.

Help end medical misogyny.
Sign our petition.

Sign the petition

Please or to access all these features

Chat

Join the discussion and chat with other Mumsnetters about everyday life, relationships and parenting.

Well I never knew this!

273 replies

Jeanolly · 01/02/2026 22:17

I've just had a lightbulb moment (at least I think I have!).

I never knew until about 2 minutes ago that Jimmy is a diminutive for Jeremy. I thought it was short for James. Or maybe it's for both?

OP posts:
Boolabus · 01/02/2026 23:15

Davros · 01/02/2026 23:09

Tell that to my uncle Liam from Kilkenny, born in the 1930s, whose full name was William.

Liam is an Irish name meaning "strong-willed warrior" and "protector." It's a shortened version of the Irish name Uilliam (which came from the Frankish name Willahelm) meaning "helmet of will." Liam is also a fun, modernized alternative to the traditional boy name William.

Your uncle (if not from Ireland) would not have had his name shortened from William to Liam it would most likely have become Will. Liam is originally from the Irish name Uilliam not the English name William.

Elbowpatch · 01/02/2026 23:16

FishFingerSandwichs · 01/02/2026 22:53

Will is for Wilfred

That’s Wilf.

I know several Wills. All of them are Williams.

Never heard of Jimmy being used as a diminutive for Jeremy, only James.

HellerHighWater · 01/02/2026 23:16

Jeanolly · 01/02/2026 22:17

I've just had a lightbulb moment (at least I think I have!).

I never knew until about 2 minutes ago that Jimmy is a diminutive for Jeremy. I thought it was short for James. Or maybe it's for both?

The diminutive name "Jem" is also short for Jeremy and Jeremiah!

SabreIsMyFave · 01/02/2026 23:18

Chiefangel · 01/02/2026 22:40

Liam Gallagher as an example, he is actually William Gallagher

WOW, I didn't know that!!!

This has surprised me as much as finding out Paul McCartney's real first name is James!!!

I was 50 when I found that out about Paul James

Also, I don't think Jimmy is short for Jeremy @Jeanolly

CheeseNPickle3 · 01/02/2026 23:19

PhaedraWas · 01/02/2026 23:08

Yes but OP is saying one diminutive covers 2 proper names.

The Jeremys I've known didn't use diminutives.

Works that way too...

Chris can be short for Christopher or Christian.
Ben for Benjamin or Benedict

OneGentleFinch · 01/02/2026 23:20

I have an Uncle Jim, whose Sunday name is Jeremy

Arlanymor · 01/02/2026 23:22

CheeseNPickle3 · 01/02/2026 23:19

Works that way too...

Chris can be short for Christopher or Christian.
Ben for Benjamin or Benedict

Absolutely. I know a Benedict and everyone at uni called him Ben. When we graduated and they read out his full name at least two thirds of our mates went: "What?!" They all thought he was Benjamin!

Barrenfieldoffucks · 01/02/2026 23:22

Sally comes from Sarah

Sunnydayinparadise · 01/02/2026 23:23

Davros · 01/02/2026 23:09

Tell that to my uncle Liam from Kilkenny, born in the 1930s, whose full name was William.

Lots of Irish people of that generation use the English/Irish version of their name Sean’s called John and vice versa is one of the most common. It is well understood in Ireland that Liam is the Irish version of William.

SwedishEdith · 01/02/2026 23:23

Boolabus · 01/02/2026 23:15

Liam is an Irish name meaning "strong-willed warrior" and "protector." It's a shortened version of the Irish name Uilliam (which came from the Frankish name Willahelm) meaning "helmet of will." Liam is also a fun, modernized alternative to the traditional boy name William.

Your uncle (if not from Ireland) would not have had his name shortened from William to Liam it would most likely have become Will. Liam is originally from the Irish name Uilliam not the English name William.

But Uilliam and William clearly have the same root.

My Irish Catholic granddad was a William known as Billy. Much like Glaswegian Catholic Billy Connolly. People's names don't always follow some simple set of rules.

tachetastic · 01/02/2026 23:24

I've never entirely forgiven my parents for giving me the most boring, monosyllabic name that has zero alternatives or diminutives (as it is only four letters to start with). Nowhere to go with it. 😡

I never knew that Polly was short for Margaret. I knew Peggy was, but all the Pollys I know are Pollyannas.

Arlanymor · 01/02/2026 23:26

OneGentleFinch · 01/02/2026 23:20

I have an Uncle Jim, whose Sunday name is Jeremy

Love 'Sunday name' - yet people on here will tell you that no, it's not allowed for a Jeremy to be a Jim! I've just texted my Jeremy/Jimmy and he's replied: "Shall I come to UK and explain how I know three other Jimmys who are Jeremys? Kind of want to get out of Dodge right now anyway!!!"

neilyoungismyhero · 01/02/2026 23:27

youalright · 01/02/2026 22:23

I'm still in shock when I found out about the little piggy going to market doesn't mean he went shopping 😢

Omg....say it's not so..

Arlanymor · 01/02/2026 23:28

neilyoungismyhero · 01/02/2026 23:27

Omg....say it's not so..

He definitely did go shopping because he bought a Wii Wii Wii to take all the way home to his younger brother.

Needspaceforlego · 01/02/2026 23:29

pinkstripeycat · 01/02/2026 22:59

Isn’t it Ieuan?

Surely the Welsh translation of the Bible has a translation of John?
That would be the official translation of it?

Eion is used for John in the Gaelic bible but Eion then has various spellings, Eion, Ian, Iain.

SabreIsMyFave · 01/02/2026 23:29

tachetastic · 01/02/2026 23:24

I've never entirely forgiven my parents for giving me the most boring, monosyllabic name that has zero alternatives or diminutives (as it is only four letters to start with). Nowhere to go with it. 😡

I never knew that Polly was short for Margaret. I knew Peggy was, but all the Pollys I know are Pollyannas.

Yep this. ^ I have never known any Seans or Shauns who were known as John either. OR any Sally whose real name was Sarah.

nOlives · 01/02/2026 23:29

StopWindingBobStopWinding · 01/02/2026 23:06

Then I think that’s an example of parents choosing a diminutive to use and deciding on a vaguely related full name to give their child (wrongly). You see it all the time on the baby names board - ‘we love the nickname (it’s not a nickname, it’s a diminutive, grrr) Polly. What full name should we give her?’ Ad nauseum.

Pollyanna obviously 😉

Polker · 01/02/2026 23:30

I went to school with twins Will and Liam.

You'll think I'm making it up but I'm not, their surname was Williamson. Late 60's Wales.

SabreIsMyFave · 01/02/2026 23:32

Polker · 01/02/2026 23:30

I went to school with twins Will and Liam.

You'll think I'm making it up but I'm not, their surname was Williamson. Late 60's Wales.

I did know a Dickie Richards back in the 1980s... (a neighbour of my parents, he was born 1930s.)

I never knew if it was Richard Richards, and I never found out. 😆

Needspaceforlego · 01/02/2026 23:32

Arlanymor · 01/02/2026 23:28

He definitely did go shopping because he bought a Wii Wii Wii to take all the way home to his younger brother.

Edited

That was the last piggy, 1st went to market, 2nd stayed at home, 3rd had roast beef, 4th had none, 5th cried wee wee wee all they way home.

Saz12 · 01/02/2026 23:32

You're not going to be happy when you meet Shuggsie.

Needspaceforlego · 01/02/2026 23:35

Polker · 01/02/2026 23:30

I went to school with twins Will and Liam.

You'll think I'm making it up but I'm not, their surname was Williamson. Late 60's Wales.

Madness I bet they were called after the Granddads or something. Will/Iiam
Liam is definitely a variation of William.

Davros · 01/02/2026 23:37

Boolabus · 01/02/2026 23:15

Liam is an Irish name meaning "strong-willed warrior" and "protector." It's a shortened version of the Irish name Uilliam (which came from the Frankish name Willahelm) meaning "helmet of will." Liam is also a fun, modernized alternative to the traditional boy name William.

Your uncle (if not from Ireland) would not have had his name shortened from William to Liam it would most likely have become Will. Liam is originally from the Irish name Uilliam not the English name William.

Whatever. His full name was William and he was always called Liam. And he was from Ireland and quite some time ago. I can’t explain it but that’s the facts 🤷‍♀️

Parsleyforme · 01/02/2026 23:37

My dad was Scottish and it took me 30 years to realise Sandy is actually short for Alexander, not just a seemingly random nickname like Richard and Dick. We don’t shorten it to Sandy in England and it’s Alex-arn-der in the south so I thought the Scottish were just making up names

Brahumbug · 01/02/2026 23:38

In The Scream by Edvard Munch, the figure isn't screaming, it is listening to the scream.

Swipe left for the next trending thread