A pro Trump thread to balance the 154 anti Trump threads!

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Thought I’d be brave and start a pro-Trump thread for a change, after all, there are so many anti-Trump ones , we need some balance!
I even tried commenting on an anti-Trump thread today… and wow, just kept being told to go away, my comments were not well received. Honestly, I feel honoured to feel as if I have been officially deported, what an achievement!😂

But Mumsnet also has a habit of people who are hysterical about answering the door.

That doesn't change that the defences of Trump are not based on fact or reason.

But I think the reaction to him, the loss of proportionality, the refusal to distinguish between rhetoric and action and the constant moral escalation, is destabilising too. Politics and political opinion conducted in panic and hysteria isn’t more ethical, is it?

See, that sounds very rational and reasonable, and it would be if said in a vacuum, but the fact is that Trump's actions and policies are playing out in the real world.

In the real world, just to name a few things:

-political enemies are being prosecuted
-the rule of law is being eroded in general, the federal work force is depleted to the point they're advertising on X for government prosecutors
-people are being murdered in international waters
-US citizens are being murdered on the streets
-Masked, heavily armed militias with no identifiable markers are invading cities and dragging people out of cars, leaving the cars running, blocking streets
-these occupations of cities are making many businesses non-viable
-Tariffs and threatened tariffs are driving up costs and inflation and destabilising relations with other countries, and having negative fiscal effects on those other countries, which will lead to increased destabilisation in those places
-there are labour shortages and job losses due to mass deportations
-some businesses are unable to remain viable due to mass deportations
-The repeal of Biden's green energy policies have led to job losses and slowdowns in what should be growing sectors of the economy, particularly in areas where economic regeneration is needed
-His family's corruption and graft is indisputable
-The pardoning of criminals ranging from January 6 rioters to the drug trafficking former president of Honduras to people who have committed fraud is a travesty against the rule of law
-the dismantling of USAID with the consequences I've laid out
-health insurance costs have become stratospheric, which will lead to many more uninsured people
-reproductive health care has become a minefield in many places
-he is showing every sign of trying to interfere in the next round of elections
-he has unilaterally decimated parts of the White House, which does not belong to him
-journalists are being arrested
-completely unvetted people were given access to every US citizen's personal and financial information when DOGE was destroying government and civil service bodies
-Law firms, universities, business and media organisations are capitulating to being held hostage by threats and lawsuits

These things have happened in one year, they are the very tip of the iceberg. It is not hysterical or hyperbole to say that, factually, the US is being systematically destroyed from the inside out.

@expatme, I think we’ve reached the point where we are debating from very different perspectives regarding language, interpretation and risk. You are describing a situation you see as an existential emergency whilst I was trying to talk about tone, proportionality and how political discussion can collapse under pressure.

These are different debates. I am not denying harm, but I am also not of the belief that abandoning analytical restraint improves outcomes. And I am going to leave it there!

@MNLurker1345

From a global perspective, Putin and Xi certainly like his policies ( or lack off), his actions, and his re-designing of the world order.

There is that I suppose.

I am sure a lot of Americans are very happy with the One Big Beautiful Bill (OBBB), passed in July 2025 and often called The Working Families Tax Cut ACT. It came into effect on the 1st Jan 2026. It extends Trumps 2017 TCJA tax cuts bill, and introduces new ones that will help boost take-home pay for so many workers and changes some benefits. Two of the more popular parts of the OBBB law:

• Tax Relief for Workers: Features "no tax on tips" and "no tax on overtime" (up to first $25,000 tips or $ $12,500 overtime )

• "Trump Savings Accounts": A one-time $1,000 federal contribution for children born between January 1, 2025, and December 31, 2028.

Wouldn't we all like to pay less tax and have more money in our pockets. I remember receiving £250 but only for my second child, does this still happen in the UK?

The issue isn't the discourse. The issue is policy. You can pat yourself on the back all you want for your 'reasonable' approach, but you're just normalising not only the abnormal, but the dangerous.

I mean, you could be on the Titanic excoriating people for calling it a catastrophic incident, preferring to it as a leak in the hull, but it doesn't change the fact it's going to kill you.

Even AI thinks the White House spin on this is ridiculous.

The 2025 "
One Big Beautiful Bill Act" (OBBBA) acts as a major austerity measure with significant negative impacts, including drastic cuts to SNAP benefits for millions, increased student loan costs, and weakened environmental regulations. It is projected to increase national debt, raise energy costs, and potentially cause 1.7 million job losses in the clean energy sector.
Key Negative Effects of the One Big Beautiful Bill Act:

• Food and Nutrition Assistance Cuts: The bill initiates the largest cut to SNAP in history ($187 billion), which is projected to leave roughly 4 million people, including 1 million children, with reduced or eliminated food assistance.
• Healthcare Access Reductions: Significant cuts are implemented for Medicaid, Medicare, and the Affordable Care Act, resulting in millions becoming uninsured and higher overall health care costs.
• Higher Education Costs: The legislation increases student loan repayment costs, slashes financial aid, and places over 425,000 students into riskier private loans.
• Economic and Job Loss: The legislation is projected to kill 1.7 million jobs in the clean energy sector and increase energy costs for consumers.
• Increased Debt and Interest Rates: Despite aimed tax benefits, the bill is expected to increase the long-term federal deficit and debt, leading to higher interest rates.
• Environmental and Safety Risks: The bill reduces environmental regulations, raising safety concerns due to a worsening climate.
• Impact on Vulnerable Populations: The legislation disproportionately affects low-income families, students, and those relying on social safety net programs.

The law also introduces complex tax changes and reduces funding for public institutions, while increasing fees for immigration filings.

I really does depend.

I posted above about the Trump "healthcare plan". They claim it will cut Obamacare premiums by 10%, but when I factchecked it I found they were due to increase by 26% this year, and that is without the subsidy cut the repubs want.

So yeah. Take this 100 bucks. Oh by the way, now you need to pay more.

Trump boasted of paying for a pageant so he could wonder through the changing rooms and watch the young girls changing.

Is it only certain men he thinks shouldn't be allowed? Paedophiles and rapists are ok as long as they aren't in a dress.

I can actually understand his thinking on that one. He is in favour of what he sees as natural behaviour, and opposed to what he sees as unnatural; unregenerate 1900s stuff, mostly. All you have to do is assume that everyone not like you (people of a different colour or sex or sexual orientation, for instance) is Wrong and you are getting there.

It is natural for Real Men to want to fornicate with any nubile female they see, in order to spread their (obviously superior) genes as far as possible.

It is unnatural for men to pretend to be women, unless they are doing it as a joke as they do in drag acts, and even those are a bit iffy.

Simple.

I don't agree with it, but I can see how he gets there.

(I might also debate his status as a Real Man, given the cowardice of the bone spur excuse to avoid the draft, but that's a whole other argument.)

I used to live in a world where abusers and pdfiles were arrested, investigated, prosecuted and sent to jail. Even just accused they were put on the back boiler until proven one way or the other. Instead now we have proven abusers as presidents.

The last batch of trump/epstein files are damning despite the heavy redactions which makes you cringe about how bad the redacted documents must be,( but didnt manage to redact the faces of the victims)

For me trump is the personification of the devil which makes me wonder about the ethics of the supposed 'religious zealots' that support him. He should be in jail.

Yes. Rather than excused. The people on this thread calling us ‘hysterical’ are quite interesting. What a way to spend a weekend, trying to discredit the people calling out the paedophiles.

Liam Ramos and his father have finally been released.

The Trump supporters are staying very quiet on the Epstein files, except for saying the FBI discredited some of the allegations.

Trump hasnt threatened to sue anyone on it either and he usually very quick to do so.

I’ve noticed the rhetoric of anti-Trump commenters being labeled as ‘hysterical’ and ‘emotional’ has ramped up though.

I think it’s often (not only, of course…) women that are speaking out on these things so labeling us as hysterical is the go-to. That’s why we need to keep going.

Sheikh bought a stake in Trump company worth billions for closely guarded A1 chip.

Trump is suing federal government ( IRS ) for billions, he says its going to go to charity...from the guy who stole money from a trump children's cancer charity.
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Insulting misogynistic patronising language saying that people appalled by a corrupt abuser who is ripping up and trampling all over their oft quoted Constitution, rights and ammendments.

Trump clearly has frontotemporal dementia. The forward lean, the confabulation , the loss of words. He needs to be in a facility.

More worrying are those behind him cheering the murder of their own citizens. Trump is a useful idiot.

The real question is "whose useful idiot is he, in that case?" There is more than one candidate, I feel.

Agree with that, but he’s also an evil asshole with dementia.

Hey, Trumpistans. How's it going?

Anyone listen to Orange Don slurring his way through that addled slew of racism and nonsense on the phone to Dan Bongino today? Not sure if it's the dementia or if his dentures were loose, but he sounded a bit, being kind here, less than sharp.

Why do you do this to yourself, expatme? Or do you listen to him so the rest of us don't have to?

I dont think I will ever understand how ANYONE voted for him. Ignoring all the rascism, dodgy dealings, bankrupcies, sexist comments and behaviours... he just actually sounds like an uneducated moron.

https://youtube.com/shorts/gjsQI0SzUTg?si=sr8UVLam1L_EEIcd

Shut the front door...Djt wasnt friendly with Epstein... its all a conspiracy apparently 🤣

Same. I know there are many different theories on the reasons that different factions voted for him but I will never really understand it. My two biggest head shaking ones are ‘well neither option was good really, was it?’ and ‘well if the left wasn’t so mean to everybody, we wouldn’t have done it.’ Which I like to call the ‘look what you made us do’ theory.

I heard someone describe it as something like being on a plane and being offered the cheese sandwich or the shit sandwich and choosing the shit sandwich because you don’t like cheese,

@Tinytimmy123 totally - I’m not a particularly ‘woke’ person although vote centre left , but the minute in the election campaign where he’s mocking disabled people and firing off midnight rambles, - well it shows what a classless nasty piece of work he is - problem is so are a lot of his voters-