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Thread 42 Starmer : Du drikker en kop te, og så tænker du lidt over alting

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DuncinToffee · 25/01/2026 10:58

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DuncinToffee · 03/02/2026 13:06

Posted on bsky

How many months did it take Reform to

1. discover the two-child benefit cap?
2. pledge to abolish it?
3. pledge to abolish it for the right colour of people?
4. pledge to reintroduce it?

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persephonia · 03/02/2026 13:13

Alexandra2001 · 02/02/2026 11:30

I agree with this but where would the line be drawn? teachers engineers lecturers... scientists, Police on graduate programs... plus many others could be seen as for the public good....

I feel sorry for HCP's their take home wages really are poor, car parking, student loan and high pension contributions... ok they get that back but it doesn't help pay the bills.
My DD has no issue working for say 10 years in the NHS in return for no student loan but there needs to be safety nets, not everyone is suitable for these roles and she wouldn't want poor HCPs to be forced to stay in the NHS... she has just failed a student on placement, they'll get another chance but in my DD she is just not suitable.

If pretty much all of Europe can fund Uni education, then we should be able to as well.

Yes to tuition fees but at around £3k pa and interest rates that reflect the simple fact that most graduates will earn more and hence pay more tax and NI, pay more into pensions, claim less benefits, if any & chances are, fund their own care in old age.

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To pay for uni education you could raise taxes. But that would mean taxing high earners who went to uni tand high earners who "worked thei way up" and never went to uni. Which always seems to generate backlash/resentment and is therefore politically unpopular.

One solution could be to make uni education free but impose a graduate tax on future graduates such that they have to pay a certain percentage of their income once they are earning above a certain threshold. This would make it affordable to keep education free for the graduates after them. If they never earn enough to qualify for the tax they don't need to pay it. And once they reach a certain age or have paid as much as their education cost you could cancel the tax.

That would be a reasonably fair way to do it. But it's also how the student loan works in practice anyway.

Personally I would rather have funded education but that would either mean raising taxes overall to pay for it which would be too unpopular. Or would mean cutting spending elsewhere. And I think other areas (the NHS, carers, disability benefits, child benefits) are more deserving when it comes to making a choice. I do think progressively writing of someone's loan depending on how long they spend in the NHS/public service could be a way forward.

DuncinToffee · 03/02/2026 13:43

The government has referred Mandelson to the police for investigation over leaking sensitive information while in governmeny and is drafting legislation that would strip Mandelson's peerage

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PandoraSocks · 03/02/2026 13:45

Guardian:

"The Conservatives are not backing calls for legislation to strip Peter Mandelson of his peerage, my colleague Jessica Elgot reports.

Understand Tories won’t create or back a bill to remove Mandelson’s peerage. There is unease among politicians in Westminster about the precedent of a government using its large majority to go after individuals, no matter how egregious. But mechanisms should still be there to expel him"

I wonder why the Tories are antsy about this?

countrygirl99 · 03/02/2026 13:46

If the Tories backed thos one they might have to back one to remove Michelle Money as well.

countrygirl99 · 03/02/2026 13:46

Appropriate autocorrect there😂

PandoraSocks · 03/02/2026 13:47

countrygirl99 · 03/02/2026 13:46

If the Tories backed thos one they might have to back one to remove Michelle Money as well.

Exactly my thoughts.

DuncinToffee · 03/02/2026 13:50

Baroness Owen of Alderley Edge, Baron Lebedev of Hampton and Siberia?

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Notonthestairs · 03/02/2026 13:52

Is Peter Cash-for-Access Cruddas still a Tory peer? What about Lebedev?

placemats · 03/02/2026 13:59

DuncinToffee · 03/02/2026 12:46

Jessica Elgot

"Understand Tories won't create or back a bill to remove Mandelson's peerage. There is unease among politicians in Westminster about the precedent of a government using its large majority to go after individuals, no matter how egregious. But mechanisms should still be there to expel him"

Instead they want a public inquiry - more money thrown down the drain.

LlttledrummergirI · 03/02/2026 14:16

Notonthestairs · 03/02/2026 10:48

"Bannon replied, boasting that he had become "advisor to front [Nationale]", as well as Matteo Salvini, Italy's interior minister at the time, the Alternative fur Deutschland (AfD) in Germany, Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban and Farage in Britain.
Bannon said that "next may is European Parliament elections" and that "we can go from 92!seats to 200" and "shut down any crypto legislation or anything else we want"."

Anything that might bring in protections (like Online Safety Bill).
Libertarians need the freedom to grift.

This is quite chilling.

Notonthestairs · 03/02/2026 14:24

Bearing in mind Epstein’s exchanges with Bannon regarding Bannon meetings with Johnson-JRM-Farage. And then to read this -

(Am really beginning to think Brexit wasn’t intended to benefit the UK so much as the billionaire citizens of nowhere).

8% knocked off GDP

Thread 42 Starmer : Du drikker en kop te, og så tænker du lidt over alting
persephonia · 03/02/2026 14:29

Epstein really was like an evil Forest Gump wasn't he.

SerendipityJane · 03/02/2026 14:32

persephonia · 03/02/2026 14:29

Epstein really was like an evil Forest Gump wasn't he.

A closer analogy might be Zelig

DuncinToffee · 03/02/2026 15:08

BREAKING: Lord Mandelson is to step down from the House of Lords immediately. But he will keep his title as a peerage is bestowed for life - unless government changes the law.

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Lalgarh · 03/02/2026 15:14

https://nitter.net/PolitlcsUK/status/2018699867963482349#m

means Mandelson will no longer be a sitting peer from midnight, but will keep his title, which is held for life Any move to strip it would require primary legislation from Keir Starmer

placemats · 03/02/2026 15:55

Notonthestairs · 03/02/2026 14:24

Bearing in mind Epstein’s exchanges with Bannon regarding Bannon meetings with Johnson-JRM-Farage. And then to read this -

(Am really beginning to think Brexit wasn’t intended to benefit the UK so much as the billionaire citizens of nowhere).

8% knocked off GDP

Carole Cadwalladr has always had the measure of Brexit.

Thread 42 Starmer : Du drikker en kop te, og så tænker du lidt over alting
placemats · 03/02/2026 15:57

Lalgarh · 03/02/2026 15:14

https://nitter.net/PolitlcsUK/status/2018699867963482349#m

means Mandelson will no longer be a sitting peer from midnight, but will keep his title, which is held for life Any move to strip it would require primary legislation from Keir Starmer

Mandelson will certainly not leave silently.

DuncinToffee · 03/02/2026 15:57

Farage's defence seems to be 'I have never visited Epstein's island'

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PandoraSocks · 03/02/2026 15:59

placemats · 03/02/2026 15:57

Mandelson will certainly not leave silently.

Agree. I think he will take a few people down with him.

Notonthestairs · 03/02/2026 16:00

placemats · 03/02/2026 15:55

Carole Cadwalladr has always had the measure of Brexit.

And all of the main players* in place to pull the grift all over again.

(* somebody will be fulfilling Epstein's role, I dont suppose for one moment these men have stopped abusing women and children and funnelling money to far right groups)

placemats · 03/02/2026 16:01

DuncinToffee · 03/02/2026 15:57

Farage's defence seems to be 'I have never visited Epstein's island'

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As things stand NO ONE ever visited Epstein's island. The underage girls were trafficked there because Maxwell is serving a prison sentence for that.

persephonia · 03/02/2026 16:01

placemats · 03/02/2026 15:57

Mandelson will certainly not leave silently.

I think it should be easier to remove peers anyway. If Starmer has to pass legislation specifically to remove Mandleson then at least Mandleson will have had one positive contribution to UK politics over the span of his entire career.
He should also go to prison.
And that kind of thing will make a difference to people like Mandleson because he is obsessed with power and status. So removing his power status and humiliating him as much as possible will hurt him. Good.
I don't believe in capital punishment..but I do sometimes secretly wish we still had stocks. I think it would be appropriate at times.

placemats · 03/02/2026 16:03

Oh I want Mandelson to squeal, now that would be his dutiful contribution. @persephonia

DuncinToffee · 03/02/2026 16:04

placemats · 03/02/2026 16:01

As things stand NO ONE ever visited Epstein's island. The underage girls were trafficked there because Maxwell is serving a prison sentence for that.

He also claims he has never met JE. (ofcourse there are photos)

https://bsky.app/profile/rmcunliffe.bsky.social/post/3mdxkov3xwc2t

Nigel Farage tells the Reform press conference on pubs: "By the way, my name was mentioned in the files 37 times, but just to repeat, I never met Epstein and I never went to the island"

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