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Thread 42 Starmer : Du drikker en kop te, og så tænker du lidt over alting

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DuncinToffee · 25/01/2026 10:58

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placemats · 28/01/2026 09:53

DuncinToffee · 28/01/2026 09:47

Goodwin has gone from exposing the far right to joining them.

Exactly. He's become radicalised in the process of exposing them.

DuncinToffee · 28/01/2026 09:59

This 'local boy' stuff is funny, his racism is not.

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PandoraSocks · 28/01/2026 10:11

Badenoch really has lost it. Now she is trying to position Tories as more right wing than Reform. According to the Guardian this is an extract from a speech she will give later today:

My Conservative party has moved to the right every day since I became leader.
What have Reform done in that time?

An unfunded plan to scrap the two-child benefit cap …

An unworkable plan to nationalise British steel.

This is leftwing fantasy.

The Conservatives are proudly the party of the right. The only party of the right.

DuncinToffee · 28/01/2026 10:16

From Peter Walker who is at the speech

Badenoch is on now, and says: what would a Tory govt under her do? She says:
• Cut taxes
• End "welfare addiction"
• Curb immigration
• Anti-net zero

The message is, basically: we're Reform, but we've done our homework.

The message is, also: centrists are not welcome.

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Notonthestairs · 28/01/2026 10:19

I suspect the likes of Andy Street and Ruth Davidson would be accepted by the Lib Dems.
No point them trying to move the Tory party to the centre ground.

BIossomtoes · 28/01/2026 10:21

She’s at odds with old school Tories. This is Matthew Parrish this morning

Before that dinner I'd looked in at an inaugural reception for a Tory movement that is to call itself Prosper. Leading figures like Ruth Davidson (coming out of retirement from Scottish Conservative politics) and Andy Street (the former John Lewis boss and former mayor of the West Midlands) spoke movingly. Prosper's aim is to reinvigorate centrism within their party, believing (as I do) that millions of moderate voters of a Conservative-ish disposition are looking for a home. Prosper wants to counter any pressure on Kemi Badenoch to out-Farage Reform.

The reception was packed. It felt like a safe space, almost a refuge, for moderate Tories. All my old mates were there — John Gummer, Dominic Grieve, David Gauke, Oliver Letwin, Amber Rudd, Virginia Bottomley — staring around with relief in our eyes: relief that we're all still here, that a cause unites us, that moderate Toryism is not dead. But there were plenty of younger people too, new to politics, attracted by the idea that the centre-right need not be reactionary, not be defined by anger, not impelled by dislike of our own country or a Gradgrind hostility towards the idea that government can help.

Kemi has a choice. She can and should see Prosper as a vital recruiting sergeant for the gentler kind of middle-of-the-road voters whose support she needs if they are not to be seduced by the say-anything Lib Dems. But will she? I'm horribly unsure.

Ruth Davidson, Andy Street and their bold new project to save the Tories

The former Scottish Conservative leader and ex-West Midlands mayor are starting a movement to attract 7 million ‘politically homeless’ voters

https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/ruth-davidson-andy-street-prosper-plan-save-tories-km9f8mgzx

DuncinToffee · 28/01/2026 10:28

Badenoch tries to announce that she leads the only serious party, by calling Labour "stupid" and Reform "silly". She goes on:

"I'm sorry you didn't win the leadership race, I'm sorry you didn't get into the Lords but... when my kids have a tantrum, I do not give in."

One for the history books.

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PandoraSocks · 28/01/2026 10:33

I watched a bit of her speech. She is basically doing a Johnson and telling any remaining moderates to get out of her way. A new direction, apparently.

PandoraSocks · 28/01/2026 10:36

BIossomtoes · 28/01/2026 10:21

She’s at odds with old school Tories. This is Matthew Parrish this morning

Before that dinner I'd looked in at an inaugural reception for a Tory movement that is to call itself Prosper. Leading figures like Ruth Davidson (coming out of retirement from Scottish Conservative politics) and Andy Street (the former John Lewis boss and former mayor of the West Midlands) spoke movingly. Prosper's aim is to reinvigorate centrism within their party, believing (as I do) that millions of moderate voters of a Conservative-ish disposition are looking for a home. Prosper wants to counter any pressure on Kemi Badenoch to out-Farage Reform.

The reception was packed. It felt like a safe space, almost a refuge, for moderate Tories. All my old mates were there — John Gummer, Dominic Grieve, David Gauke, Oliver Letwin, Amber Rudd, Virginia Bottomley — staring around with relief in our eyes: relief that we're all still here, that a cause unites us, that moderate Toryism is not dead. But there were plenty of younger people too, new to politics, attracted by the idea that the centre-right need not be reactionary, not be defined by anger, not impelled by dislike of our own country or a Gradgrind hostility towards the idea that government can help.

Kemi has a choice. She can and should see Prosper as a vital recruiting sergeant for the gentler kind of middle-of-the-road voters whose support she needs if they are not to be seduced by the say-anything Lib Dems. But will she? I'm horribly unsure.

But will she? I'm horribly unsure.

Going by her speech just now, she won't!

PickAChew · 28/01/2026 10:38

DuncinToffee · 28/01/2026 10:16

From Peter Walker who is at the speech

Badenoch is on now, and says: what would a Tory govt under her do? She says:
• Cut taxes
• End "welfare addiction"
• Curb immigration
• Anti-net zero

The message is, basically: we're Reform, but we've done our homework.

The message is, also: centrists are not welcome.

Well she needs to stop cheerfully /spitefully (depending on which way the wind is blowing) waving goodbye to the right of her party if that's her vision for it.

DuncinToffee · 28/01/2026 10:39

PandoraSocks · 28/01/2026 10:11

Badenoch really has lost it. Now she is trying to position Tories as more right wing than Reform. According to the Guardian this is an extract from a speech she will give later today:

My Conservative party has moved to the right every day since I became leader.
What have Reform done in that time?

An unfunded plan to scrap the two-child benefit cap …

An unworkable plan to nationalise British steel.

This is leftwing fantasy.

The Conservatives are proudly the party of the right. The only party of the right.

The Conservatives are proudly the party of the right. The only party of the right.

This line didn't make it into the speech 🤔

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BIossomtoes · 28/01/2026 10:40

An unfunded plan to scrap the two-child benefit cap …

That’s rich coming from the party that made £10 billion unfunded NI cuts.

PandoraSocks · 28/01/2026 10:45

DuncinToffee · 28/01/2026 10:39

The Conservatives are proudly the party of the right. The only party of the right.

This line didn't make it into the speech 🤔

A step too far, like the initial comments about Braverman's mental health?

DuncinToffee · 28/01/2026 10:48

Bit rich on the backof this report

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2026/jan/27/very-deep-poverty-uk-record-numbers-joseph-rowntree-foundation-analysis

Data analysis from 2023/24 when the Tories were still in power

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SerendipityJane · 28/01/2026 10:56

BIossomtoes · 28/01/2026 10:40

An unfunded plan to scrap the two-child benefit cap …

That’s rich coming from the party that made £10 billion unfunded NI cuts.

How much was each DUP vote worth ?

According to El reg's official standards calculator, 1DUP=£10,000,000

https://www.theregister.com/Design/page/reg-standards-converter.html

(towards the bottom under "Money")

The Reg online standards converter

https://www.theregister.com/Design/page/reg-standards-converter.html

PandoraSocks · 28/01/2026 11:40

The Telegraph is accusing Starmer of a witch-hunt against the British Army, according to my daily e-mail. It really is plumbing the depths. It won't be happy until it sees Starmer strung up from a flag-shagger's lamp post.

placemats · 28/01/2026 12:06

I think the Telegraph has jumped ship from Tory to Reform. The Telehash.

PickAChew · 28/01/2026 13:04

How long before there is a press conference with it resting its head on a fag ashy shoulder?

cardibach · 28/01/2026 13:10

PandoraSocks · 28/01/2026 11:40

The Telegraph is accusing Starmer of a witch-hunt against the British Army, according to my daily e-mail. It really is plumbing the depths. It won't be happy until it sees Starmer strung up from a flag-shagger's lamp post.

Edited

Have I missed something or are they completely inventing things again?

placemats · 28/01/2026 13:12

"He's not going to get this gig again, let's face it."

Lammy on the absolute dire performance of Andrew Griffith at PMQs today.

placemats · 28/01/2026 13:17

"Lee Anderson (Reform UK) says the TV was reporting yesterday Labour MPs were revolting. That is a matter of opinion, he says.

(MPs shout, ‘Where is your TV licence? Anderson has said he has not got one, despite being a GB News presenter.)

Lammy says he once campaigned with Anderson when he was Labour. It was said when he defected that he increased the average IQ both of the party he was leaving, and the party he was joining."

Taken from https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2026/jan/28/keir-starmer-labour-reform-uk-gorton-and-denton-byelection-andy-burnham-conservatives-politics-latest-news

Pure comedy own goal from Anderson.

Starmer says he is ‘focused on our national interest’ as he begins China visit – UK politics live

PM tells business delegates in Beijing that they are ‘making history’, as Kemi Badenoch criticises trip

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2026/jan/28/keir-starmer-labour-reform-uk-gorton-and-denton-byelection-andy-burnham-conservatives-politics-latest-news

Notonthestairs · 28/01/2026 13:19

Isnt The Telegraph now as part of the Daily Mail group?
It's primary focus seems to be publishing hyperbolic & shouty opinion articles aimed at the perennially offended. I suppose that makes it a good fit for Reform.

DuncinToffee · 28/01/2026 13:25

Something to do with legal cases and Iraq veterans,

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PandoraSocks · 28/01/2026 13:30

cardibach · 28/01/2026 13:10

Have I missed something or are they completely inventing things again?

Pinched from elsewhere, hopefully will work:

www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/9e273753f7359cbb

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