Trump’s text message to the Norwegian PM

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“Dear Jonas: Considering your Country decided not to give me the Nobel Peace Prize for having stopped 8 Wars PLUS, I no longer feel an obligation to think purely of Peace, although it will always be predominant, but can now think about what is good and proper for the United States of America."

This is why he’s justified in taking Greenland - apparently. How is this giant man-child in charge of the free world?

Women lost reproductive rights under Biden.

How do you protect women’s reproductive rights if you can’t even discuss them as a women’s rights issue? How do you look credible when you make it taboo to acknowledge facts about sex?

The way things are going there won't be many spectators or teams at the World Cup.

He's already banned fans from 4 participating countries and stopped processing visas for residents of numerous countries. If he invades Greenland then the USA would be at war with the EU and NATO countries, so logically no European teams could participate. Apart from in a few dictatorships in South America, he's not particularly popular in that part of the world, and he's already threatened that after Venezuela, Columbia is his next South American target.

Perhaps it's all part of his cunning plan - ban everyone else and the US team might have a chance of being World Cup winners by default.

That's rather disingenous. The justices were appointed by Trump and the wheels were in motion during Trump's first term. Trump campaigned on getting rid of abortion rights. Nothing to do with Biden. Furthermore, it's not about discussing women's rights issue, it's about blaming the Democrats that they lost the election to the MAGA lot because of women's rights, as if Trump is all for it. That's simply not true. The fact remains that Trump is not at all about women's rights, no matter which way you twist it. Trump is not for anything really, other than what enriches him and keeps him in power.

The fight for women's rights in America was lost when they voted for 'grab en by the pussy',best mates with Epstein, pay for pageant to see girls naked Trump. Right now they need to fight for their basic Human rights, then they can pick up the fight for women's rights and equality.
Without Human rights, they have no rights, only illusions.

You only really have yourself to blame if you choose to live in an echo chamber. You only have yourself to blame if you vote based on a single issue and turn a deliberate and ludicrous blind eye to everything else. You only have yourself to blame if you vote for someone who is blatantly misogynistic, abusive, corrupt and has a personality disorder. Many leaders have undesirable characteristics, but it did not take a genius to notice before the election that Trump had multiple undesirable characteristics magnified colossally. And as for people who didn’t vote - far better that than voting for Trump, imvho. The problem is, people are being groomed to become as narcissistic as Trump - they always need someone else to blame for their own mistakes, selfishness and stupidity.

I think you might have misunderstood my point.

If voting for a Democrat didn't save abortion rights in 2020, why would it save abortion rights in 2024?

In fact many people who voted for Trump voted down ballot to protect abortion rights in their state.

Furthermore, it's not about discussing women's rights issue, it's about blaming the Democrats that they lost the election to the MAGA lot because of women's rights, as if Trump is all for it

Again, you miss the point. Nobody thinks Trump is a feminist, but if the Democrats aren’t standing up for women’s rights either, what is there to choose between them?

And as for people who didn’t vote - far better that than voting for Trump, imvho. The

Do you not understand how elections work?

Yes, I agree.
I'm as twanw as they come but the idea that this one issue trumps everything and anything else is madness. Once people adopt that position though there's no reasoning and no arguing with them.
Presumably if they were in Russia they would be big fans of Putin over some woke opposition (if there was one). Personally I'd rather lose my son to transgenderism than war.

Ok, let's say both sides hate women, so no loss voting Trump on women's rights. What was it that persuaded voters he was the best option?

I don’t think women’s rights were a deciding issue.

I think that for some voters the Democrat position on this issue neutralised Trump’s nuttiness and reduced his flaws. It’s the same trick that he pulled inviting Clinton’s accusers to the debate, except the Democrats did it to themselves.

Trump says they are eating cats and dogs. The Dems think men are women. Trump doesn’t respect women. The Dems don’t respect women. It all becomes noise.

I'm not missing your point, but rather looking very hard to fine one.

Your sentence about Democrats saving abortion rights in 2020 neatly sidesteps Trump's first term entirely and the groundwork set in place that cannot be reversed. Biden cannot un-appoint supreme court justices.

As to "what is there to choose between them", really, if that's your question after all that's transpired during Trump's first and second terms, I see that further engagement is an absolute waste of time.

Some people were always going to vote Republican and Trump always had his base, so (as with all elections) Democrats had to convince swing voters and non voters and ensure their own supporters bothered to vote.

I think Democrats failed to convince voters that Trump would be an existential disaster (and I fully agree that their worst concerns appear to be coming true) because he had already been president and many people didn’t think their lives were that bad in 2017-2021.

It was always going to be hard to come back from the Biden fiasco, which was arguably a betrayal of the American people, and Kamala Harris was not the right candidate to do that. If she were she would have done better when she tried to run for President the first time.

Biden cannot un-appoint supreme court justices.

So, again, why would voting Democrat save abortion rights?

As to "what is there to choose between them", really, if that's your question after all that's transpired during Trump's first and second terms, I see that further engagement is an absolute waste of time

Yet clearly many Americans were not convinced that Trump was the worse option, so if you actually care about what has transpired, it might be worth trying to understand why.

The simple answer is that seeing what Trump started during his first term, appointing sychophantic supreme court justices that will do as he wants - In fact they gave him complete immunity on his second term - his January 6 debacle that gave a very clear picture of what his attitude towards democracy itself is...and many many more - the voters STILL voted him back in so that he can continue his destruction of democratic institutions and make himself wealthy. The abortion rights are just an indication that the doesn't give a shit about women's right, and losing abortion right doesn't mean there's not many more women's rights to lose. I find your arguments so naive, or deliberately disingenous, that I truly do find it of no use. If you think comparing Biden and the democrats to Trump and MAGA is equal, then that kind of thinking doesn't bear logical challenge, because the base premise itself is illogical.

And these same voters sat and watched Jan 6th unfold and STILL voted for Trump.

The abortion rights are just an indication that the doesn't give a shit about women's right, and losing abortion right doesn't mean there's not many more women's rights to lose..

Women have many rights to lose (not that American women have some basic rights in the first place) and you can’t defend any of them if you can’t clearly define sex in legislation.

I find your arguments so naive, or deliberately disingenous, that I truly do find it of no use.

Snap!

If you think comparing Biden and the democrats to Trump and MAGA is equal, then that kind of thinking doesn't bear logical challenge, because the base premise itself is illogical.

It doesn’t matter what I think. The question is what American voters think.

The Democrats successfully neutralised the argument that Trump was trying to overthrow democracy.

Try addressing all my posts in its entirely instead of cherry picking sentences so it can go off on a tangential argument. If you find my arguments illogical you shouldn't want to keep engaging. I won't be responding to your cherry picked sentences anymore, but feel free to carry on. As for it matters what Americans think, it isn't the American electorate defending their position here on this forum, it's you.

Silly me, it already is!

Listening to the news this morning and a supporter of Trump has said 'Trump is making the world a safer and better place'.

I can't anymore.

What did I miss?

Both parties make partisan appointments to the Supreme Court.

Is there something in particular you would like me to address?

We can agree all day long that Trump is awful.

Woke this morning to a nice derail of this thread...

Back on topic, Russia is, of course, absolutely thrilled at Trump's behaviour in blowing up NATO and picking a serious fight with European countries. They're publicly actively encouraging him.

'Europe is at a total loss': Russia gloats over Greenland tensions
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c17zpvkddpzo

"If Trump annexes Greenland by July 4 2026, when America celebrates the 250th anniversary of the Declaration of Independence, he will go down in history as a figure who asserted the greatness of the United States," writes Rossiyskaya Gazeta.

The only way we get out of this mess is if the American electorate chooses a better President.

Honestly, I blame the citizens of the USA for sitting quietly after electing him. There must be legal ways for them to stop this madness. People in his party, democrats, lawyers, police, and just ordinary citizens. This is supposed to be a free, democratic country with many mechanisms in place to prevent totalitarianism. Are they really so apathetic to what is happening, so ignorant of the consequences, all so greedy? Millions and millions of people…

Trump is so easily played by flattery, and the Russians have him just where they want him.

And it seems Vance has the same buttons to be pressed. While the rest of us were mortified for him when he attacked Zelensky in the Oval Office, Vance himself bragged about it as "the most high profile thing he'd ever done". <shrug>

So they're incredibly easy prey for the Russians fluffing their egos, patting them on the head and giving them a biscuit.