Left-wing voters, what is your most right wing belief, and right wing voters what is your most left wing belief?

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Actually the problem is the voters. Mainly the hard core who "will always vote <party>" because it's easier than thinking.

If you are in a parties core demographic, and you not only say you will always vote for that party but then actually go and always vote for that party, then what do you think that party will ever do for you ?

If voters were less tribal and more pragmatic, parties would be far more responsive to change.

That’s partly because there isn’t a viable alternative. Reform isn’t an alternative, it’s a shoddy mashup of alt-right money, conspiracy wingnuts and the dregs of the Tory party (ie the ones who didn’t mind being called the Nasty Party).

@PacificState Similarly, if I could impart understanding of just one thing I think it might be the fiscal implications of demographics.

Yeah i get that but to me, its more a chicken and egg thing.... i think the days of tribal voters is over, the red wall very quickly went Blue, then went back to Red and is now Reform...
Has even happened in wet and cold Cornwall....

If we believe the Torygraph, even that bastion of leftism, MN, now supports Reform .... (yes i know!)

To me, the mainstream parties have totally messed up, we've now 5 parties in contention yet they (Lab and Tory) still stick to FPTP...
So we'll have the next Govt voted in on 25 or 30% of the vote... that, as Labour are finding out, wont end well, its just going to cause division and more pissed off voters.

To be fair things can change - old people die as a scientist once observed.

I think the rise of single issue politics has broken the tribal model to a degree. However electing a party based on one idea is exactly what delivered us Boris and the Boys and Liz Truss.

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To me, the mainstream parties have totally messed up, we've now 5 parties in contention yet they (Lab and Tory) still stick to FPTP...

Electoral reform is very much a thing. Just because it's not as sexy as digital IDs doesn't mean it isn't being looked at.

@38thparallel I don't think it is a left/right thing, it is a liberal/authoritarian thing. The left can be as authoritarian as the right.

This belief is wildly different from my other opinions, and I know that most of the truly stupid things online are rage baiting bots, but there are a lot of truly stupid or deeply ignorant people who I would deny a vote. I wouldn't set the bar high, either.

l think electoral reform will be in place before next GE.

Labour aren’t going to hand power to Reform. If they are still a prospective government. We have small parties now instead of 2 party system. So it no longer works.

l think electoral reform will be in place before next GE

@ArseInTheCoOpWindow Do you think there will be a referendum or do you think the government will reform it?

I think the government will do it. They’ve got a massive majority and it’s in the interest of the Greens and LD who will also support it.

Dominic Cummings was on the ‘No to AV’ campaign team in 2011 or whenever it was - baby’s first referendum. Will be interesting to see if he switches sides if it happens again, now that he’s dumped the Tories. He’s a bad man, but he knows how to win a referendum.

With just about 3 years to go and given the glacial pace things like this happen... i just don't see it, Labour in public, aren't mentioning it..

Many different forms of PR, would be a nightmare to come up with a form parties could agree on.

Don't think they'll be a referendum either and if there was, would be an awful turnout, PR doesn't light peoples imagination.

It "might" be in Labours 2029 manifesto but that'll be it.

It’s 3 1/2 years. Loads of time to become law.

I'm centrist, more conservative in some areas. I agree with you completely. Environmental protection would be my most left wing view.

Leaning right in some countries is also linked with not being pro-choice, Christianity and xenophobia, depending how far right. In extreme cases, as we all see, it attracts insularity, conspiracy and racism. I'm entirely opposite, pro-choice, agnostic, cosmopolitan and pretty open - but I firmly believe if you move to a different country you have to integrate and contribute regardless of who you are. I consider this centrist, not right or left leaning though. I just like critical thinking, common sense and science, and support people being honest and working hard.

RW.

Parents shouldn't be financially rewarded with benefits for reproducing children that they can't afford to raise. The two child benefit cap should stay.

Transwomen are men dressed as women. And their fetish needs to go back behind firmly locked closed doors where it belongs.

Left wing here.

Most right wing view is probably the desire to see child rapists get their knackers removed.

Also believe that a stable family unit is best for kids to be brought up in. But then aware I’m lucky to not be married to an utter prick.

Are those your most left wing views??

Could you elaborate on how they talk about abortion please?

The proper way to do electoral reform would be a royal commission.

It's not feasible that though is it? The legal costs would be astronomical. It would be worse than the death penalty in terms of cost. And its not a detterent. Because it doesn't address the reasons why the crime is happening. And honestly it wouldn't necessarily even stop reoffending because I've worked with sex offenders, (in a secure mental health setting) and a fair few were on A LOT of medication which would render them unable to perform sexually, yet they had still been creating or downloading swathes of images. There's a lot of mental health stuff going on there its not just some wild sex drive thing. Paedophilia isn't a sexulaity. It wont go away because you get rid of someone's physical sex responses

Yes and then the inevitable "wrong person castrated....

This really struck a chord with me.
Would formerly have considered myself left leaning. Used to be a keen Labour supporter and now feel myself to be politically homeless.
In fact some days I wake up, see what’s happening and feel like I’m having some kind of out of body experience.
I would be very open to a new party.

Anthill? Beehive?

I think this thread demonstrates, with a few outliers, that most people are conservative (small c) social liberals. Center/center. The margins are small for those who believe in a socially just society, but one where there is personal responsibility as well. I think most support small state too, and a reform of the NHS.

It is therefore even more interesting that people declare they are generally Labour voters.

What this thread indicates to me is that the UK desperately needs election reform from First Past The Post (FPTP) to Proportional Representation (PR). Ideally in the style of NZ, where voters have a local MP to vote for and a nation-wide party vote. The party vote enables smaller parties that might gain, say 10% of the vote share but not win any particular local seat, to have representation in parliament.

This would mean we could create a party that ticks a lot of the boxes discussed here, and actually have a hope of influencing policy.

It would also mean that more parties have to work together, so we would get a mix of ideas as discussed by PP. This might mean for example, labour having to form a coalition with a party that demands stricter immigration. Or Tories having to form a coalition with a party that demands they return to a science based approach to climate.

Everyone should be putting pressure on labour to implement electoral reform while they are in power.

I used to support pr but having seen what it has done to Scotland I'm not as sure any more. One big problem seems to be where mps are selected by party list not voted for directly by the electorate. I think Maggie Chapman in Scotland is one of those. There is no way for the electorate to get rid of her unless the Greens get too few votes in the North East region to elect anyone.