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Vegetarianism/Veganism

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CurlewKate · 08/01/2026 08:58

Why is Mumsnet so hostile? Just that really…

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henlake7 · 10/01/2026 20:41

I just thank god bread is mostly vegan. You could take me anywhere so long as it had bread!😂

Happytap · 10/01/2026 20:47

Springswallow · 10/01/2026 11:46

I don't know any other vegan families,or any vegans except my family ..
I keep thinking I should start a vegan chat thread ,,but I didn't think there were many vegans on Mumsnet

I would love that - it's so easy to feel alone as a vegan family. My kids are desperate for vegan friends!

TheGrimSmile · 10/01/2026 20:54

I think people feel defensive because most people like animals and, if they are honest with themselves, they know the meat and dairy industries are horror stories, but they cannot face having to change their entire diet and way of life. So there's a kind of resentment towards the people who are able to do that. Then there's just the utter drongos who hate anything they consider to be "snowflakey" ie showing any empathy or compassion for anything or anyone.

DrPrunesqualer · 10/01/2026 20:57

Havetake · 10/01/2026 20:33

I find it incredibly irritating. It annoys the life out of me when my vegan friend, who I love to bits otherwise, comes away with us and every suggestion of any nice restaurant selling authentic local food is immediately met with ‘are there vegan options’ and we can’t go to them if there’s not. No walking around and spontaneously choosing a restaurant because of the vegan options.

Then when there are vegan options complaints that there are only ever vegan burgers on the menu. So we try paella. Complaints that there are only vegan paella is only rice and veg.

Any buffer is met with ‘I need a vegan option’ which is fine, but then it becomes that vegan friend thinks she can order a full meal for herself which no one else is allowed to eat, despite there being vegetarians there.

It takes over everything. And it’s very annoying.

Agree
trying to find decent places to eat good food without animals is a nightmare

Better than the 80s but still a nightmare

WhatYouWearing · 10/01/2026 21:10

Rosamutabilis · 10/01/2026 20:31

I actually just messaged one of my vegan family members to ask them what being vegan meant. They replied that it meant they ate a plant based diet, and did not use any animal products in their life, so no leather, no honey. That's it.

😂

WhatYouWearing · 10/01/2026 21:13

Rosamutabilis · 10/01/2026 20:31

I actually just messaged one of my vegan family members to ask them what being vegan meant. They replied that it meant they ate a plant based diet, and did not use any animal products in their life, so no leather, no honey. That's it.

I’ve literally posted a dictionary definition but you, as a meat eater, continue to ‘preach’ what YOU think a vegan should be. It is way more than diet. And it is insulting to carry on insisting that.

Rosamutabilis · 10/01/2026 22:01

WhatYouWearing · 10/01/2026 21:13

I’ve literally posted a dictionary definition but you, as a meat eater, continue to ‘preach’ what YOU think a vegan should be. It is way more than diet. And it is insulting to carry on insisting that.

What you posted wasn't a dictionary definition. It was how the Vegan Society now defines veganism which is a different thing. If you actually look up an actual dictionary definition of a vegan it is defined as someone who on principal doesn't not eat or use any animal products. That definition also appears in the Vegan Society's website on their history pages where it discusses when that definition was first included in the Oxford Dictionary.

That does not equate to veganism being a quasi-religious system as you seem to believe it is. Neither does it mean that veganism is a superior choice which again you seem to believe.

It is simply a lifestyle choice, a choice which is no better then any other lifestyle choice a human may make such as not eating wheat or sugar or not drinking alcohol. You seem determined not to accept that being a vegan is actually just a mundane choice, as is any other choice, and does not make you any better or more special than anyone else.

The phrase " there are none so blind as those who will not see" comes to mind.

henlake7 · 10/01/2026 22:08

But it isn't just a mundane choice. Sure, some people are vegan for health reasons but alot of people choose it for reasons of morality and ethics. Then it becomes a belief system.

1stjan2026 · 10/01/2026 22:08

WhatYouWearing · 10/01/2026 20:15

It’s only about what you eat? Nothing else? I’m genuinely interested then why you prefer to call yourself vegan and not plant based? Is it because it’s easier?

For avoidance of doubt, here is the dictionary definition:

Veganism is a philosophy and lifestyle that seeks to exclude, as far as possible, all forms of exploitation of and cruelty to animals for food, clothing, or any other purpose, focusing on a plant-based diet (avoiding meat, dairy, eggs, honey) and avoiding animal-derived products like leather, wool, and cosmetics tested on animals. It's a broader ethical stance than just diet, aiming to promote animal-free alternatives for the benefit of animals, humans, and the environment.

Sorry I didn't make myself clear - I don't use, or wear anything non vegan either.

Havetake · 10/01/2026 22:12

DrPrunesqualer · 10/01/2026 20:57

Agree
trying to find decent places to eat good food without animals is a nightmare

Better than the 80s but still a nightmare

It’s not as bad at home because I’d just go to somewhere I wanted to eat with other friends, but it drives me absolutely mad when we’re on holiday.

DrPrunesqualer · 10/01/2026 22:25

Havetake · 10/01/2026 22:12

It’s not as bad at home because I’d just go to somewhere I wanted to eat with other friends, but it drives me absolutely mad when we’re on holiday.

Maybe your friend could chose a holiday destination with more authentic local food that’s veggie
India , Asia in general and even Italy
That might be better for everyone

just a thought if there’s a next time

Havetake · 10/01/2026 23:01

DrPrunesqualer · 10/01/2026 22:25

Maybe your friend could chose a holiday destination with more authentic local food that’s veggie
India , Asia in general and even Italy
That might be better for everyone

just a thought if there’s a next time

Our holiday destinations tend to be chosen by the group and they’re usually long weekend breaks in Europe.

Italy would be fine. I am forever being told that it would be okay to go to an Italians when we’re in Barcelona or Oslo or Budapest. Drives me insane.

RamsaySnowsSausage · 10/01/2026 23:01

I have more than once heard/read people disagreeing with veganism because they like to see farm animals in the fields! Also so concerned about what would happen to existing animals like dairy cows or pregnant sheep if everyone went vegan tomorrow and how cruel that would be. Overbreeding overbred animals to live short, uncomfortable lives and then exploiting and killing them is therefore for the welfare of the animals themselves and the prettiness of the countryside apparently.

I wouldn't mind discussing it but the overwhelming amount of discussions are not in good faith, it's non-vegans waiting for a 'gotcha moment' like 'frankenfoods', air miles on avocados, wildlife killed when harvesting crops, sudden intense concern for your health and macronutrients (even if you both used to do coke in portaloos at festivals), pets, or keen interest in your shopping habits to see if they can blame you for child slavery or blood diamonds or something.

It is tedious. A pp has it right that it is a pre-emptive strike in case you try to guilt them.

I did find the PP getting upset that her family will never be able to enjoy a goose fat roast potato together rather dramatic. It's spuds, you will be fine. And if you don't enjoy or are not capable of catering for different diets, then just don't - go out, order in, make them bring something. Implying people should give up their tastes and beliefs because you want to watch them all eat a goose is rather entitled.

I've never encountered one, but I am sure preachy vegans exist; their approach may not work on everyone but I'll never not admire people who actively stand up for what they believe is right - environmentalists, civil rights, Palestine, veganism etc. If you don't agree and are secure in your viewpoint, carry on and get on with your life (or counter protest) but if their activism bugs you, look at why. It's healthy to change your mind when given more information.

reluctantbrit · 11/01/2026 00:00

Havetake · 10/01/2026 23:01

Our holiday destinations tend to be chosen by the group and they’re usually long weekend breaks in Europe.

Italy would be fine. I am forever being told that it would be okay to go to an Italians when we’re in Barcelona or Oslo or Budapest. Drives me insane.

My vegan colleague is Italian. She hates going out back home as the danger of having cheese is too high she says.

On theory, it should be fairly easy to get good vegan food in italy, the reality is very different.

She is from Bergamo, it may depend on the region but I would be careful.

Springswallow · 11/01/2026 05:08

Happytap · 10/01/2026 20:47

I would love that - it's so easy to feel alone as a vegan family. My kids are desperate for vegan friends!

I did start a vegan chat thread on the vegan section..I don't think I've any takers yet tho 😉

WhatYouWearing · 11/01/2026 07:58

@RamsaySnowsSausage Eloquently put. Well said 👏🏻

WhatYouWearing · 11/01/2026 08:03

henlake7 · 10/01/2026 22:08

But it isn't just a mundane choice. Sure, some people are vegan for health reasons but alot of people choose it for reasons of morality and ethics. Then it becomes a belief system.

Exactly this. But some people are determined to belittle. They are proving the point over and over that vegans appear ‘preachy’ because they have to defend themselves against this belittling behaviour.

@RamsaySnowsSausage nails it below.

Nopenousername · 11/01/2026 08:14

Your point nails it @RamsaySnowsSausage

bumphousebump · 11/01/2026 08:32

I’ve no concerns with it. But I wish restaurants wouldn’t lump them together, I’m not veggie or vegan, , I’m happy eating either but not keen on fake make (quorn does things to my digestive tract) or fake cheese. So don’t want the only option to be vegan with fake cheese….

CraftyGin · 11/01/2026 08:56

1stjan2026 · 10/01/2026 22:08

Sorry I didn't make myself clear - I don't use, or wear anything non vegan either.

Polyester, then?

DecafSoyaLatteExtraShotPlease · 11/01/2026 09:12

You know cotton is a plant, right?

pinkyredrose · 11/01/2026 12:21

WhatYouWearing · 10/01/2026 21:13

I’ve literally posted a dictionary definition but you, as a meat eater, continue to ‘preach’ what YOU think a vegan should be. It is way more than diet. And it is insulting to carry on insisting that.

She wasn't 'preaching'! She was just relaying what her family member said.

We get it, you're a 'proper' vegan!

Glitchymn1 · 11/01/2026 14:13

RamsaySnowsSausage · 10/01/2026 23:01

I have more than once heard/read people disagreeing with veganism because they like to see farm animals in the fields! Also so concerned about what would happen to existing animals like dairy cows or pregnant sheep if everyone went vegan tomorrow and how cruel that would be. Overbreeding overbred animals to live short, uncomfortable lives and then exploiting and killing them is therefore for the welfare of the animals themselves and the prettiness of the countryside apparently.

I wouldn't mind discussing it but the overwhelming amount of discussions are not in good faith, it's non-vegans waiting for a 'gotcha moment' like 'frankenfoods', air miles on avocados, wildlife killed when harvesting crops, sudden intense concern for your health and macronutrients (even if you both used to do coke in portaloos at festivals), pets, or keen interest in your shopping habits to see if they can blame you for child slavery or blood diamonds or something.

It is tedious. A pp has it right that it is a pre-emptive strike in case you try to guilt them.

I did find the PP getting upset that her family will never be able to enjoy a goose fat roast potato together rather dramatic. It's spuds, you will be fine. And if you don't enjoy or are not capable of catering for different diets, then just don't - go out, order in, make them bring something. Implying people should give up their tastes and beliefs because you want to watch them all eat a goose is rather entitled.

I've never encountered one, but I am sure preachy vegans exist; their approach may not work on everyone but I'll never not admire people who actively stand up for what they believe is right - environmentalists, civil rights, Palestine, veganism etc. If you don't agree and are secure in your viewpoint, carry on and get on with your life (or counter protest) but if their activism bugs you, look at why. It's healthy to change your mind when given more information.

👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

Havetake · 11/01/2026 15:45

reluctantbrit · 11/01/2026 00:00

My vegan colleague is Italian. She hates going out back home as the danger of having cheese is too high she says.

On theory, it should be fairly easy to get good vegan food in italy, the reality is very different.

She is from Bergamo, it may depend on the region but I would be careful.

She says she can just order pizza without cheese in Italian restaurants. Which is fine but I don’t want to go to an Italians when I’m in another city with its own local food.

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