Mumsnetters voting Reform

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Mumsnet mothers have always leaned Labour. Now Reform is ahead

https://www.thetimes.com/article/dbd39087-465c-4587-9eaa-292606ffb775?shareToken=a99daa444e8bc0f9444cca2bf01f3851

I'm slightly startled by this. I'm a centrist, slightly more right leaning perhaps but frankly I'm open to any government who will get a firm grip on the public finances and go about growing the economy in a sustainable way. My impression of this site is that it's definitely more left leaning and and Reform enthusiasts tend to get shouted down. Personally, I think we should be talking about them a lot more as it's highly likely they will form part of the next government.

My impression is that they are promising the earth but don't have people with the necessary skill set to make that happen. I really worry that they will get voted in and find out that they can't fix all the problems within 18 months, leading to yet more disillusionment amongst voters.

And btw nobody is ‘apologising’ for being right wing, it isn’t a dirty word. They seem quite open about it.

https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/fcgi-bin/seatdetails.py?postcode=M40+0FJ

This is an interesting site.
Not my postcode, but that of FC United the local football team.

Blackley and Middleton South:
Such a Labour stronghold. But predicted to fall to Reform.

Perhaps you don't see any point. From my perspective, all I can do at this point is register my disgust. Reasoning with people doesn't seem to work and the alternative would be to remain silent while watching the shitshow unfold.

None of the options are very appealing right now tbh.

But whatever you say about people applying the same to you that’s also the case for whomever you’re aiming it at.

It’s just a bunch of people hurling insults at each other whilst they say so what if you think that.

I’m happy to be reasoned with and consider myself a very objective person who can, and does, concede by reminding myself I don’t know everything and that admitting defeat is far more gracious than clinging to an untruth.

You’re welcome to debate with me, but your endless tirade of ‘racist’ and ‘fuckwits’ suggests you’re far less reasonable than those you insist are stubborn and disgusting

Well, that's a matter of opinion, but I was using apologist in the traditional sense of the word, rather than suggesting that anyone was actually apologising for their repugnant views. If only...

I would vote Reform as I think they are most likely to sort out the immigration mess. This is nothing to do with racism. I would be fine with an Australian-style points system for skilled workers. However, far too many immigrants and their dependants are welfare recipients rather than contributors. They are either on benefits or receive top up benefits. Yes, some work in the NHS but even more are using its resources. Once given indefinite leave to remain, they can compete for scarce social housing. For me, the disadvantages of immigration outweigh the benefits

I don't dispute that, but I have also long since stopped seeing MN as a forum for reasoned debate.

Hear hear.

The OP's point had been proven by the pp.

Ok. But you have added to that outcome with the insults.

Let me make a case.

From your boast of having numerous countries to move to should you wish, I assume you’re either a) from a multicultural family or b) in well paid, qualified employment which opens the world to you or c) both.

Which is correct?

I would just like to point out that we do now have a points based system in the UK like Aus.

And while the point you make about contributing is an important one, unless a British taxpayer is hitting higher rate tax then they are not likely to be a contributing in monetary terms.

The UK has problems but migration is probably not the real driver imo.

Christ on a bike. You are just so aptly demonstrating the point others are making, it’s incredible to see.

Your internal logic is telling you that ANYONE who votes for Reform is racist and ‘far right’. What you simply cannot see is that millions of everyday people are scared and worried about the future.

Labour are not listening to their worries, Labour are - like you - calling them racist and ‘far right’. And totally invalidating them and their lives.

Just wow.i don’t know why I’m surprised by your increasingly hateful incoherent messages, but I am. Surprised I think that you’re so openly bigoted and narrow minded. But there you are.

Seems to be a lot of anger over this. Ive yet to see a thread on it though.
https://inews.co.uk/news/councils-turn-derelict-properties-into-asylum-seeker-housing-4124314?srsltid=AfmBOoo3yWQ3op1YJpLvUIgGiusiig-eK30C6k0rwm7tTO2_4LUKy6KD

People usually reference the Australian system not just for work visas.

It is a Labour government that is setting the trajectory. The left chance to turn it around is now. They need to get on with it. If there is a swing to the right driven by the failings of a Labour government then there isn't really anyone else for the left to blame but themselves.

Migration is the core driver of the housing crisis. We can't build houses at a fast enough rate for the number of people who want to move here.

Very interested to hear the direction of this supposed correlation (that may not necessarily be related) between a shift in right wing opinions and the class/educational level of mumsnetters. I’m not sure who you are trying to insult.

I don’t believe Reform is the answer, but then who is?
I voted Labour last time, but I can’t see myself doing that again (I’m naturally more right wing especially economically) and I can’t vote for the Conservatives after their disastrous performance over the past ten years.
I’ve voted Lib Dem in the past, but only because I didn’t want to vote Labour - I don’t believe in Lib Dem any more than I believe in Reform, frankly. I was pissed off with the Tories after Brexit so I wasted my vote on them basically.
I’ll never vote Green.
What party can I vote for?
I also disagree with much of what Trump does and stands for, but at the same time I can see the truth in a lot of what he says too. Not everything is black and white.

Trajectory is not likely to change.

https://news.sky.com/story/budget-2025-how-youre-being-quietly-hammered-with-stealth-taxes-13489549

I am not a natural Tory voter but New Labour was a disaster for young working class people at the time, like myself, and Starmer is not showing improvements so far. How they can continue to prioritise that generation is beyond me.

Fuckwits in power is pretty standard across the globe.

Another picture of a fuckwit.

And pre existing wealth of course. Thats the issue, they all prioritise pre existing wealth and that is what has killed the working economy.

It was never going to do anything else.

We’ve also been hit by tax under Labour - my husband is also a small business owner, so we’ve been hit on tax there too. But I also want to see investment and improvement in public services. And I hear you on parents who refuse to work, but it’s much more nuanced than that for many. I would also say that whatever the circumstances, it’s never the fault of the children, and making an investment in those children now through extra funding, education, free school meals, Sure Start type centres, etc. is exactly the way to improve their life chances long-term and that will benefit us all.

Insults again. The failure to engage with working younger generations has denied us our future.