What’s happening in Venezuela and what does it mean?

[theotherfossilsister]

I’m confused- has the US gone to war with them? What are the implications if so?

And how did the leader treat the people whilst that was happening

Yes and Venezuela was then one of the wealthiest countries in the region.

You really cannot get there without the Christian tradition of considering all humanity to be equal before god. It’s really a radical concept (and I say this as an atheist). We live in the waters made by the Christian though, which underpins so much of what makes the West distinct.

in my opinion, some of it is really impractical tho

And you know, I keep coming back to the fact I want my country run by people who share my values of liberal democracy – be they Christian, Muslim, Buddhist, Wiccan or atheist – versus people who don't.

Trump, Vance, Musk, Thiel, Bannon, Miller et al don't. So why would I want them directing my country?

I responded like that because of the nonsense about “Muslim majority “. This kind of far right rhetoric doesn’t really deserve anything more than an eyeing emoji, so I think I was fairly verbose.

Yeah, there are much, much lower expectations for the Middle East. I don’t know what could have happened in the last 20 years to lead them to this conclusion 😆😭

Clearly it’s a staple of that US document. People are assuming it means white or not, the pp is being clear on what it means.

Yes, they are asking the clueless to shut up. 🤐 A message from one of them Trump wants oil. No shit. Why did Putin and the Chinese wanted? The Hallacas recipe? ( Hallacas is a Christmas dish) In short are all the so now concerned in MN people taking the Venezuelans for fools? They have been invaded by Cubans, Hezbollas, Hamas, Iran and all the shit that Maduro took there with him in power. Enough of the bullshit.

They might not be that eager this time for that reason.

Reason why Venezuela has become a major threat, the narcotics aside: Iran has a base there to launder money and train their jihadists. Iran is manufacturing drones there. China and Russia ensconced there. Pick your side. We all know who Corbyn and his ilk side with.

You should consider what might happen if the UK does become a Muslim majority country. Why stick your head in the sand? Why do you refuse to entertain a discussion on it?

Palestine became a Jewish majority region in the span of decades. That wasn’t without some … changes, no?

Are you talking about the Great Replacement conspiracy theory?

Well you shouldn’t. It’s not their country,

But you should also not accept their allyship either if you proceed with self-destructive behaviours

I have nightmares about this.

Of course one of the gaping holes in the narrative of those trying to herd us to support their own extremists by raising a Muslim bogeyman, is that they also endlessly like to tell us what liberal places countries Afghanistan and Iran were before religious extremists acquired power.

Soo, that's liberal Muslim-majority Afghanistan and Iran, then.

It's almost as if some people don't want us to notice that it's the extremism that's the problem rather than which religion the extremism validates itself on.

This and other reasons such as making people who object disappear is why the people there are saying be quiet. Let us celebrate.

@PerkingFaintly moves differently, and depends on what side you affiliate to. People will defend their rights against change they feel negative to them in the same way others will defend change they feel will benefit them.

Really? Iran has a base there?

🙄

You don’t actually believe the propaganda that a handful of Westernised elite families, working hand-in-hand with the West (not a bad thing, but does describe the relationship), is representative of the entire country?

look, even you don’t believe that.

@Fleurdeville rather more than a base

How could the people there (women particularly) have stopped that move towards extremism?

I had no idea @Teddleshon1. so it could be not just about oil but also a message to Iran re: everything else tgat is going on in ME at present

Also, wasn’t an oil ship controlled by Houthis attacked last year? Oil was leaving for the west despite an embargo, houthis stopped it and we got involved somehow

And I didn't say that.

I said, before extremists gained power. That's decades back in Iran and Afghanistan.

Thank you for admitting that it's possible to work hand-in-hand with people from countries different in "culture and mindset".

(I'm not sure why you came out with that in response to me naming Iran and Afghanistan, mind. But hey ho.)