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Thread 40 Starmer: Prettig Kerstfeest, Nollaig Shona, Hyvää Joulua, Nadolig Llawen ,圣诞快乐, God Jul, Feliz Navidad, Bouan Noué, Nollaig Chridheil.

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DuncinToffee · 17/12/2025 09:00

Merry Christmas 🎄🎅🎶

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pointythings · 23/12/2025 12:58

I have always thought the problem isn't culture or ethnicity. It's men and misogyny.

BIossomtoes · 23/12/2025 13:01

pointythings · 23/12/2025 12:58

I have always thought the problem isn't culture or ethnicity. It's men and misogyny.

Spot on. That poor, poor woman.

Lalgarh · 23/12/2025 13:16

Government adjusts (u turns) on inheritance tax for farms with new thresholds increased

BestIsWest · 23/12/2025 13:19

They still won’t be happy.

BIossomtoes · 23/12/2025 13:27

BestIsWest · 23/12/2025 13:19

They still won’t be happy.

They’re not. Smallest violin 🎻

placemats · 23/12/2025 13:49

If farmers hadn't voted for Brexit, not all - knew two who said it would be a disaster - they wouldn't be in this mess.

Notonthestairs · 23/12/2025 13:51

placemats · 23/12/2025 12:26

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cdrnvvyy8kzo

More on this shocking case here. It's no surprise that he was in possession of CSA images on his devices. Much support for Ms Young.

Horrible horrible story. That poor woman.

women are most at risk from men they know.

PandoraSocks · 23/12/2025 14:17

pointythings · 23/12/2025 12:58

I have always thought the problem isn't culture or ethnicity. It's men and misogyny.

Totally.

I think Ms. Young is incredibly brave. I hope they all get put away for a very long time.

SerendipityJane · 23/12/2025 14:28

BestIsWest · 23/12/2025 13:19

They still won’t be happy.

You noticed too ?

placemats · 23/12/2025 14:41

It's brilliant news. It takes away the excruciating poverty that care leavers experience. No money and no close contacts poverty for late teenagers must be incredibly frightening.

dontcallmelen · 23/12/2025 14:41

PandoraSocks · 23/12/2025 14:17

Totally.

I think Ms. Young is incredibly brave. I hope they all get put away for a very long time.

Incredibly brave woman, so so awful I hope she finds peace.

Notonthestairs · 23/12/2025 14:45

I predict this will get drowned out by farmers IHT (which will never be enough to satisfy them) but these are exactly the sort of schemes that Labour should be advocating & advertising. Support for those who need it.

dontcallmelen · 23/12/2025 14:48

placemats · 23/12/2025 14:41

It's brilliant news. It takes away the excruciating poverty that care leavers experience. No money and no close contacts poverty for late teenagers must be incredibly frightening.

Really is fantastic news, I worked with a lot of young people who came through the care system so many of them utterly traumatised & damaged even if this alleviates some of the issues & hopefully make a difference it’s well worth implementing.
I braved Sainsburys & M&S this both fairly ok not heaving shelves fully stocked & lots of staff on hand, I’m not venturing out tomorrow what we haven’t got now we will do without, Dh picking up the Turkey, gammon & pigs in blankets in the morning 🫰that goes to plan.

SerendipityJane · 23/12/2025 14:56

Notonthestairs · 23/12/2025 14:45

I predict this will get drowned out by farmers IHT (which will never be enough to satisfy them) but these are exactly the sort of schemes that Labour should be advocating & advertising. Support for those who need it.

Even if the farmers were shy and retiring, the MSM wouldn't run the story in anything but a bad light.

Saucery · 23/12/2025 17:12

Wishing everyone here a peaceful Christmas, whichever way you celebrate it, or tolerate it. 🎄

My MP is very pleased to say she is one of the MPs who lobbied her own party to raise the farming IHT. I suspected she was, but she doesn’t give much away on sm if she disagrees with the Labour bigwigs. I think she’s quite a determined person with true Labour values, so I understand why she is circumspect about potential disagreements.

placemats · 23/12/2025 18:05

dontcallmelen · 23/12/2025 14:48

Really is fantastic news, I worked with a lot of young people who came through the care system so many of them utterly traumatised & damaged even if this alleviates some of the issues & hopefully make a difference it’s well worth implementing.
I braved Sainsburys & M&S this both fairly ok not heaving shelves fully stocked & lots of staff on hand, I’m not venturing out tomorrow what we haven’t got now we will do without, Dh picking up the Turkey, gammon & pigs in blankets in the morning 🫰that goes to plan.

Hope it does go to plan. Have a lovely Christmas. I forgot the iceberg lettuce but DD and her partner is getting it tomorrow.

I think he's not well physically but obviously we will get through Christmas.

Have a lovely Christmas everyone.

PandoraSocks · 23/12/2025 19:23

Have a fabulous Christmas everyone. See you on the other side 💚

cardibach · 23/12/2025 20:18

Lalgarh · 23/12/2025 13:16

Government adjusts (u turns) on inheritance tax for farms with new thresholds increased

It’s not a u turn. It’s responding to the electorate - otherwise known as democracy. Should have been done in the budget though.

cardibach · 23/12/2025 20:21

I heard/read someone referring to today, Christmas Eve Eve, as Christmas Adam, and it’s genius. Happy Christmas Adam everyone.

itsgettingweird · 23/12/2025 20:38

pointythings · 23/12/2025 12:58

I have always thought the problem isn't culture or ethnicity. It's men and misogyny.

Nailed it.

Apart from the fact men from all cultures will be accessing the lessons in school so she’s kinda kissing the point anyway!

cardibach · 24/12/2025 08:43

Remember Yulia from Caerphilly? Here’s her Christmas message. I’m an atheist, but it touched me in its depiction of what Christianity (and humanity) should be.
𝗖𝗵𝗿𝗶𝘀𝘁𝗺𝗮𝘀 𝗿𝗲𝗳𝗹𝗲𝗰𝘁𝗶𝗼𝗻 - 𝗳𝗿𝗼𝗺 𝗮 𝗿𝗲𝗳𝘂𝗴𝗲𝗲, 𝘁𝗼 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝗰𝗼𝘂𝗻𝘁𝗿𝘆 𝗜 𝗻𝗼𝘄 𝗰𝗮𝗹𝗹 𝗵𝗼𝗺𝗲

This Christmas, I’m writing as myself.
Not as a headline. Not as a statistic. But as a person who became displaced in 2022, when my life in Ukraine split into before and after.

I didn’t come to Wales chasing something better.
I came because safety for my children disappeared overnight. Because war does that - it shrinks your world down to one question: how do we survive?

That’s why the Christmas story doesn’t feel distant to me.
It feels painfully close.

We like to soften it - the carols, the candles, the calm.
But Christmas is not a comfortable story.

It is a refugee story.

A young family displaced by politics they did not control.
No room. No certainty.
Violence close enough to force them to run for their child’s life.
A dangerous journey into a foreign land, relying entirely on the kindness of strangers.

Mary. Joseph. Jesus.

They survived because someone opened a door.
Without that welcome, there would be no Christmas.

And yet today when more than 110 million people around the world are forcibly displaced, refugees are increasingly spoken about as problems, threats, costs. Even here in Wales, I feel the atmosphere changing. I hear it in conversations. I see it online. Far-right narratives are growing louder, and compassion is slowly being pushed aside by fear and hate.

That scares me, not only as a refugee, but as a human being.

Because Jesus never divided people by nationality.
He never asked where someone was from before he healed them.
He crossed borders - cultural, social, religious - constantly.
He welcomed the people others avoided.

The refugee child grew into a man whose entire life was about radical welcome.

Christmas is not just about generosity.
It is about incarnation, God choosing not to stay distant.
Not offering sympathy from afar.
But becoming human. Becoming vulnerable. Becoming with us.

And for me, this is where faith becomes real.

Being Christian today, truly, is not about politely tolerating injustice.
It is not about feeling sad while harmful systems remain untouched.
It is not about staying neutral when people’s dignity is stripped away.

To me, being Christian means not accepting injustice as normal.
It means caring and acting.
Standing alongside people who are silenced.
Fighting, gently but firmly, for a more just world.

Because praying for people is easier than standing with them.
Good intentions are easier than hard conversations.
But Jesus never chose the easy road.

And systems matter.

In the UK today, asylum seekers are not allowed to work for the first 12 months of their claim, even if they desperately want to. Even after that, they are restricted to a narrow list of jobs that often ignores their real skills. Doctors. Nurses. Teachers. Journalists. Engineers. People ready to contribute, forced into waiting and dependency.

This helps no one.

In Wales, we struggle to staff the NHS, care homes, rural communities. The people so often described as a “burden” are very often the people who could strengthen our society, if we allowed them to belong.

I have seen another reality.

I have felt safety return because a stranger smiled at me.
I have seen community built through small acts, invitations, help with buses, shared meals, patient conversations.

This Christmas, I am asking for memory and courage.

Remember that Jesus was a refugee.
Remember that Christmas only exists because people chose welcome over fear and hate.
Remember that faith without justice is empty.

And looking ahead to 2026, this is the Wales I want to believe in.
A Wales that chooses dignity over division.
A Wales that refuses fear and hate as an identity.

This is the country I believe in.

And as I hold hope for this place that gave my kids safety, I also hold hope, fiercely, for my home country, Ukraine.
For peace.
For return.
For healing.

May this Christmas remind us that love is not abstract.

Hope is not passive.

And welcome, real welcome, can change the course of a life.

She’s on Facebook - Yulia Bond

Evenstar · 24/12/2025 09:06

That’s beautiful @cardibach the true meaning of Christmas, pity the likes of TR and Reform don’t reflect on Yulia’s words.

BIossomtoes · 24/12/2025 09:10

Thank you @cardibach. It’s lovely to read something so sane and life affirming.

Notonthestairs · 24/12/2025 09:13

Good lord, Cardi don't bring the meaning of Christmas in to it!

(I enjoyed it, thank you.)

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