Is this effectively bullying going people with SEND into unsuitable jobs?

[mids2019]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cqlke33

So reading between the lines the below policy about getting young people off benefits into work this is effectively part of the strategy on SEND/welfare spending. The question is what are the young people in benefits.....many will have send an h as autism and ADHD so jobs in construction and hospitality will be completely inappropriate and maybe harmful. Can you imagine the sensitive autistic 19 year old man working on a building site or the highly anxious going women taking on the brutal work culture of hospitality when companies are cutting staff to the bone because of increased employment costs.

Is this a reasonable policy or one to appease reform voters where reform seem to be waging a war against SEND costs?

I think you're kind of infantilising people with SEND here. I think they need to be empowered to take part in life fully. And if that means working in any field then that's a positive.

How depressing to be at home all day every day and feel unable to join in with life. I don't think that's very fair, and I think your attitude might well make them feel less able.

Better to at least try things and if it doesn't work out find another plan.

Btw I know a young front line health worker with ADHD. He's incredible at his job and you can't get a lot more brutal than that imo!

Hospitality is brutal though and I have been in a few pubs/resteraunts where the workload is brutal and you can tell the staff are miserable. Construction instance exactly enjoyable either and is hard backbreaking work. Yes, some may benefit, but no t everyone is a lazy bastard wanting to shirk.

I've worked in hospitality and we had quite a few autistic staff members. They enjoyed working there. I don't think it's helpful to say that SEND people can't do these jobs.

My DB has ADHD and works on a building site and has thrived.

It includes other job sectors as well and I would imagine there is some adaptability to take account of specific needs.

I don't think the problem is that they are lazy but that they feel debilitated and as I say, I don't think your attitude helps!

I tried waitressing myself and hated it. Never went back. I'm not SEND. Bar work however I loved. It's about finding what suits you, and there is no reason whatsoever that someone with SEND is automatically unsuitable for any job in any sector.

If I was SEND or had kids with SEND I would feel quite offended by your stance. You're placing limits on people because of something they can't help and I find that quite discriminatory.

The number of SEND CYP with NEET status is fairly small as they are already supported until the age of 25 and this is accounted for under the SEND budget. This scheme and funding is likely allocated for those without SEND status who are NEET.

Why shouldn’t adults with SEN work and have full and productive lives?

What’s the alternative? Staring at their phones or sleeping all day?

Work doesn’t have to be “fun” or “enjoyable”. It’s about earning your own money.

Construction has been one of the better jobs for my brother with ADHD - often outdoors, physical, clear rules and expectations; he thrives in such situations . He could never do an office job or something more sedentary. The person/s you know may not be suited to such jobs, but don't make assumptions about the rest of the population.

Speaking as someone with AuDHD myself - it's not the sectors themselves that are the problem but this policy needs to go hand in hand with more funding and support for appropriate adaptations and accommodations to support young neurodiverse people in these kinds of employments. With the right support and understanding, neurodiverse people can often do brilliantly in these kinds of practical hands-on roles. You are right that businesses are focussed on minimising the costs of employment and will be cautious about this, so the best approach is to structure some seriously beneficial NI rebates where businesses can earn a way to reduce their employment costs across the board if they can demonstrate that they are meeting key targets for supporting significant numbers of neurodiverse young people into stable and supportive employment.

I have ASD and ADHD and have worked in hospitality jobs. Don’t write everyone off as incapable, lots of roles would be suitable. I’m not saying everyone with ASD would be able to do these jobs but some definitely would.

Hospitality is not “brutal”. We’re not sending people down mines for 10 hours a day.

Any job can be hard at times. It doesn’t mean you shouldn’t do it. You describe hospitality as brutal! It might be for you but not for a younger enthusiastic person! Don’t forget the friendships made, the sense of satisfaction and of course the pay cheques! Far better than staying home in the ‘safe’ comfort zone in your bedroom.

No it's not bullying to give people the opportunity to be independent and learn new skills.

Utter nonsense OP.

This is clearly a Labour policy not Reform UK. If people are capable of work they should try to work if they can.

My local McDonald's employs several teens who appear to be neuro diverse and they are coping. I know a neighbours DC works there are their parents are pleased their DC is working and learning new skills. Her Mum said to me the other day her DD speaks to people now.

My DB has moderate LD and his happiest days were labouring with a builder and his crew. He also worked as a cleaner at Asda. He’s long been unemployed due to his physical ill health and these days is completely isolated and socially inept. His MH has completely deteriorated as a result. He feels worthless.

As awful as it sounds he is a burden, both to my very elderly mother, myself and the state. He would have loved help to stay employed.

I used to teach autistic teens and one has been working at my local McDonald’s for a few years now. He loves it.

I think we have to do something as it's not sustainable to have large numbers of healthy young people unable to work. It's not good for anyone's mental health to be written off either.

I was out of work for a long time, now thriving in a career.

For me, its not the job. Its the attitudes and environment. Minute I got an actually disability confident employer, who held no judgements, could do adaptions to individuals in our team and a team who are positive and have clarity of communication. No issues. I realised my incompetence wasn't in my ability, it was all in social bits, the gossiping, judging, stereotyping etc, the toxic workplace bits. Remove that and my hurdles i can overcome at work independently, because there is no consequence of being different.

I have ADHD, I was also diagnosed with anxiety and medicated for it in my late teens. I spent about six years working in hospitaility. It someone thinks hospitality is brutal to be honest I would assume they’re very lazy and someone who puts minimal effort in their own job. Hospitality isn’t at all brutal, its easy work in clean, dry and warm environments.

As someone with ADHD myself, I agree with the PP who said it's about finding what suits you.

The best thing I ever did as a young person was join an agency and do a succession of warehouse, kitchen, shelfstaking and factory jobs.

The placements were short term (sometimes extremely) so nothing got too boring and there was always an end in sight if it was truely horrible.

I learnt a lot about different workplaces and got a feel for what might suit me. In general, I'd say it's the people who make a workplace, not the work.

And there was a huge variation. From places where everyone's like a jolly bunch of pals, to places riven with petty bullying and cliques, to places where people barely talk to each other at all!

If you find somewhere where people are willing to be friendly and accepting, the work is a secondary concern.

I have to disagree OP. I worked in a hotel and our KP had SEND - he was the best Kitchen Porter I had ever worked with. He didn't find the work 'brutal' - it transformed his life. He became independent and had a brilliant social life after meeting and workung with so many new people in the hotel.

Of course some people with SEN can work in hospitality. This is a pretty successful enterprise near me.

https://www.ignition.beer/

How many young ND people are there?