Social housing on new build estates

[pangeapanda]

I’m absolutely not looking for a bun fight on council housing tenants, we’re classed as living in affordable housing (shared ownership).

We live on a new build estate, it’s a mix of outright owned/mortgaged, shared ownership & social housing. From what I understand, a certain percentage of new homes have to be allocated for affordable housing or council housing. I imagine they’re moving away from building entirely socially housed ‘council estates’ now?

Half of the estate is houses, a line of part owned properties then quite a few blocks of social housing apartments. I guess my question is, why do they segregate the council tenants from the home owners? I thought they’d be more likely to pepper them throughout the estate now to avoid pockets of antisocial behaviour.

There’s a clear divide between the estate and one side is noticeably less nice. At the same time, some of the houses sell for nearly 500k so people might be apprehensive, rightly or wrongly, about buying where there may be a lot of turnover or perceived antisocial behaviour.

Is there a reason they lump all the affordable housing together then? And should it be considered a good thing?

How old are you? I’m early 20s my generation can barely move out I’m the only one in my friend group who has. Yeah we resent the worst type of scumbag seems always able to bag a cheap sh house (not saying all sh tenants are scumbags but there’s no denying a fair few are)

No just accept that you earn X amount of money, so that means you can only afford a home in particular areas in your budget. So if you look out your kitchen window and see trash, that's because you can only afford trash. You are where you are meant to be and you are around the people you are meant to be around. That's where you belong.

I think some people have delusions of grandeur. You are the upper echelons of the housing estate folk. That's your station.

I think this is an issue where you just haven't accepted that you are those people. Thats why you cant afford to move away. You are them and they are you.

I’m not sure where I said I live on a new build estate? I rent a tiny apartment in the “old” part of town. I’m just saying I understand why someone who spends 400k on a house would be pissed off someone got an identical one for doing nothing and then proceeds to cause trouble

What people? I haven’t been given a house for doing nothing

You meaning the general you. Those people live on those estates because that's where they are meant to be. They just believe they deserve more.

The people who have to buy on housing estates with SH are exactly where they are meant to be.

They pay 400k for a house and watch someone move in opposite on half market rent into a practically identical house. Not the same at all. And if their neighbours trash/fuck things up they’re within their rights to be pissed off

I’m ollldd…. As old as your mum who couldn’t raise a mortgage either! Runs in the family doesn’t it 😁 maybe people in social housing aren’t that different from you after all?

Well they are when their house is twice the size of mine with half the rent and some (not all) are scumbags who trash and cause havoc

Grow up. It is not stupid to move away from your family for work. If everyone had your silly little mindset then so many jobs would remain unfilled. What do you think military families do? Are they just all stupid and on track for divorce?

squishedpassenger
Stop being an arse. Nobody deserves to live near antisocial neighbours wherever they are on the social scale.

Yes but they had to pay 400K to live there becauae that's all they can afford. They don't have the wealth or class to live anywhere else. They are watching that because they are meant to be there, with those people as neighbours. That's who they are. Housing estate folk. There isn't anything wrong with being Housing Estate Folk but you have to accept it or you just seem deluded.

You said you live in London, right? It's like only being able to afford one of those new flats down Tottenham Hale or Walthamstow. They are essentially housing estates and will have local people from SH. But that's all you can afford. You essentially have peanuts.

If you had proper London money, you'd be able to afford a flat in Belsize Park and not have any SH tenants around you.

That's my point, when you can only afford a new build on a development in Zone 2-6, you will live with people like you who either have always lived in that area or who also can't afford to live anywhere else.

I don’t live in London. I asked you if you live there seeing as you’re claiming 400k is a small sum of money

You deserve to live where you can afford to live. If you can only afford to live in an area where deprivation is a big issue with many residents, then that's where you will be, among people dealing with the consequences of poverty. The way to solve that would be to work towards a more equal society.

But for now, if you have peanuts, you'll be in the circus with the rest of the monkeys.

Yes I do and yes it is. But what I'm saying goes for anywhere. I know Southampton quite well and the same goes for there. It goes for everywhere. You live where you can afford to live. Homeowners have even more choice. Where you see them is where they could afford to be.

It depends what people want doesn't it? Do they want to move for work and cheaper property, or stay near family? Just because people live near family, doesn't mean they'd provide childcare. I live in the same city as mine and they have not, and I am not divorced! Both my cousins couldn't afford London property prices so took their savings to buy in Leicester. Now their parents have joined them! I think it's pretty normal to move around the country for work and for affordable housing. My grandparents have lived everywhere, for work! When they settled down they bought a small property.

What I'm saying is, it is not impossible. My friend is completely blind and catches a train into London for work. She wants to be independent and own her own property. She cannot afford to live in London. My client is deaf without speech, and uses BSL. He went to university to become an architect. He landed a top paying job and bought his own home. Its easy to say, it's impossible. But there is always a way, commuting, retraining, moving somewhere cheaper, flipping homes with a partner/friend/family member etc. Keep saving and don't stop, even if people think it's unachievable. It will build up over the years.

Also important to say that it's absolutely fine to not want your own home, or move away from where you've known all your life. It's about doing what you want and what makes you happy.

Not everyone is warren buffet 😂 normal people shouldn’t have to spend 400k on their home get destroyed by monthly repayments repairs and then watch someone on the opposite street live in the same house cheap rent and everything repaired by a housing association. It’s complete bullshit if we’re being honest. And then if their neighbour is a complete cunt and trashes or causes havoc they get called “snobs” for daring to complain

It is if you can barely attend work due to lack of childcare or the isolation gives you such a poor quality of life that you end up mentally ill. And yes, divorce in military families is high!

The COL is a societal issue. It doesn't take away from the fact that we will always live where we can afford. Lets say houses were £100 in a really lovely area. You are only going to have one of those houses in a lovely area if you have £100. If you have £80, you'll live somewhere less lovely.

Your argument seems to be if you can’t afford a mansion in bel air you shoud just shut up and put up with other people getting given shit for doing nothing and you’re not allowed to complain about their shitty behaviour.

are you “gaslighting” the thread 😂😂

Yes I am saying that you have to accept your station in life. If it bothers you that substance misuse is a big problem in your area or relationship conflict or whatever, try to better your area if you can't afford to leave it. Whining that you deserve to be around people without those issues is a waste of time. You are where you are because that's where you can afford to be. Make the most of it.

I live in social housing after leaving a DV situation with my daughter and not being able to get a mortgage or afford private rent. We are in a new build house and must be incredibly lucky. We are in amongst bought properties and shared ownership and the quality is amazing, definitely not cheaper fittings. I was amazed at how lovely it is.

I would also like to say I've never caused ASB for anyone and to be honest on my street we have never had any issues with of from anyone. We even had to have background checks to prove we don't have a history of ASB! I guess it all depends on the builders how they choose to build the houses and the tenants as to how they behave. But let's not forget, some homeowners can behave awfully too!

@SquishedpassengerSo if people aren’t rich they should put up with terrible, anti social behaviour and not complain? Nice.

you think 400k is a small sum and now you’re basically saying if you’re not a millionaire you can’t complain about pieces of shit. Are you the piece of shit neighbour or are you the millionaire who lives on a detached mansion?