Social housing on new build estates

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I’m absolutely not looking for a bun fight on council housing tenants, we’re classed as living in affordable housing (shared ownership).

We live on a new build estate, it’s a mix of outright owned/mortgaged, shared ownership & social housing. From what I understand, a certain percentage of new homes have to be allocated for affordable housing or council housing. I imagine they’re moving away from building entirely socially housed ‘council estates’ now?

Half of the estate is houses, a line of part owned properties then quite a few blocks of social housing apartments. I guess my question is, why do they segregate the council tenants from the home owners? I thought they’d be more likely to pepper them throughout the estate now to avoid pockets of antisocial behaviour.

There’s a clear divide between the estate and one side is noticeably less nice. At the same time, some of the houses sell for nearly 500k so people might be apprehensive, rightly or wrongly, about buying where there may be a lot of turnover or perceived antisocial behaviour.

Is there a reason they lump all the affordable housing together then? And should it be considered a good thing?

I have had bad experience with social housing, avoid like the plague, it becomes like a sh*twhole and unruly children, police every week, noise, chavs, nappies thrown everywhere - you couldnt write it! . My friend moved to shared ownership and its turned into a hell whole with weird people, dimps thrown on the floor, loud noises and so on. There is a new build estate near me, I heard the shared ownership/SH area is awful, looks tatty and hearing of complaints, I am so glad I didn't get a house there. Avoid social housing and shared ownership if you can. I wont buy house if shared ownership or SH are within a mile!

@placematsWhat are you talking about, I didn’t say anything about dumping sofas. And I don’t live on an estate, nice or otherwise. I was literally describing the reality of the area I used to live in, not sure how much more real I can get. So many people keen to shut others down when they talk about their experiences of living near SH, but we all know what the reality is.

You can absolutely tell the SH from privately owned. The SH are semi detached and look more crammed , smaller. The privately-owned are detached and much bigger.

There’s a stop social housing stigma campaign and I think it’s a great idea. I’ve never lived in SH but realised I had my own prejudices but I work on them.

A friend of mine who is an artist, lives on a mixed street like this in South London. She has a lovely solid 1930s ex council House with large rooms and a huge 100ft garden. She was never a council tenant as these houses had changed hands several times.

It's very obvious which ones are still social housing by the rubbish and broken furniture dumped in the front gardens, weeds, broken fences, etc.

It's sad really. Councils should do more to ensure that were social tenants live that the streets/gardens are maintained to a good standard. It should be part of the tenancy agreement, otherwise it is not fair on working people who have paid market value for their properties and pay service charges and council tax.

Oh I thought you had some knowledge, not a limited observation of the little area you live in and no insight into the real estate sector

We have this too. To the point that they cut off access via the lift to their floors.

To be honest I prefer it. And it's managed differently. They have a whole ton of junk in their lobby whereas we aren't allowed to leave it in the lobby. Their main door is shattered glass and therefore doesn't close. Again, that's managed by the council not our building management.

😂Ultimately, not my people, not my problem. That doesn't mean I don't feel pity for other people left waiting years for social housing that will never be built.

I have friends whose mother/in law has just died and they have sold their half share and moved into the inherited house quite easily. Selling any house is a right pain these days. Lack of ease of mobility is a huge problem with house ownership but the insecurity of private renting is a nightmare.

I grew up with a family all on life time benefits. I made the decision to work and save up. It takes hard work and overtime to save up to buy somewhere small. Then it can be sold for a larger property over time. I made my future different from theirs. I am responsible for myself. I do not look down on people. My husband works in a minimum wage job. He works hard to save up. There is nothing wrong with wanting better for myself. I want to live in a nice house and nice area. I do not want to live on a council estate with anti social teenagers. I think mentallity is key here. You seem a bit fixated on me? Not sure why? Plenty of other people on here saying the same thing as me and haven't seen you question them!

I’m going to bite the bullet and say it’s just not fair someone pays 400k on their house and someone over the street gets given and identical type house with half price rent. I mean wtf? When are they going to ban sh? Then you get them moaning about mean snob comments online mf just ignore and enjoy your free house.. people who paid hundreds of thousands are allowed to point out that some of their neighbours behaviour sucks.

And before someone calls me a “snob” my job is minimum wage and I don’t live in sh not everyone with a crappy job lives in sh.
and yes I admit I am jealous 😂

People who live in social housing pay rent. They’re renters. Do you think that it’s free?

btw if I was going to waste my time being jealous it would be with the people who afford a £400k house and much more with ease, not the renters who don’t have a hope of doing so.

Thats fine if you live in the very cheap North. Where I live, a 1 bed flat/studio starts at about 450K. Especially when you consider what a young first time buyer could get a mortgage on. That's before council tax and service charges.

It would be stupid to move away from everyone you know to start a family when you'll need their support. Otherwise you end up like the people here who haven't had an adult hour for years as they have no childcare around them at all. So yeah, move away into a family home miles away that we can afford BUT have literally no quality of life outside of being parents? Doesn't make sense. Best way to end up divorced.

Don’t lecture me my mother lives in a house twice the size of mine owned by a housing association her rent is a third what such a house would be on right move.
No it’s not completely “free” but close enough in my opinion

A mortgage on a 400k house will cost a fortune every month, they lose their job they won’t get help paying the rent. I am definitely not jealous of someone paying a mortgage on a 400k house

So what? Do you think its better to pay private rent to some LL who is raking it in while you gain literally nothing? Good that your mother has an affordable home. Why would you have a problem with that?

And some of her neighbours (not everyone but a few) are complete trash as described on her, constant weed smoking and gobbiness yeah this comment will get deleted but someone had to say it in today’s property market where most normal young people can barely move out how’s it fair the worst specimen get rewarded with a free house

I’m not sure where you are based but where I live £400k is probably the cheapest family home or flat you could hope for. Maybe a 2 bed?!
It’s the cheapest option not some big achievement. Imagine “only” having £750k for your family house and that still being on a mixed estate.

That’s the reality. People talking about choosing not to live in such areas maybe live in places where you can pick and chose where you live and aren’t dictated to by school catchments, proximity to public transport and budget.

The others should work.harder so they can afford to live in areas with no SH. If they were better at their jobs, they'd have that money and wouldn't need to buy on estates in the areas the SH tenants have lived for years. They should have tried harder.

No it’s obviously not I’ve been evicted in the past by landlords selling. But a small minority of people these days get a house for doing nothing, some (not all) are scumbags who cause havoc. Then bitch and moan about “snobby” comments online hurting their feelings. So fucking jarring

IKR? Thank god her mum isn’t being constantly given notice and having to find thousands in deposits and moving fees, being refused properties due to her age/ income and needing guaranties?! Thank god she can live in social housing.

would you rather her money went on a landlords personal profit instead @Greenh ? Would that make you feel more comfortable? To be making the rich richer whilst you can’t even raise a £400k mortgage?!

Ah yes so win the lottery

"I guess my question is, why do they segregate the council tenants from the home owners? "

For repairs and maintenance, probably. It's logistically easier to keep all the properties in one area. It's not really segregation, it just appears that way.

London?

They haven't done nothing. They've lived in an area for the amount of time they needed to in order to qualify for social housing. That's all they needed to do because thank god, we have a welfare system.

Nope, Home Counties