Miriam Morgolyes on Graham Norton

[PuppyMonkey]

Anecdote about wanking off three men in a random wood in Edinburgh or something. Everyone laughed hysterically.

Is it just me or have TV chat shows gone really downhill?

I'm not opposed to many dirty - or even downright offensive - jokes in the right setting. I have several older female family members in their 70s who tell the most hilarious, crass stories that leave everyone laughing despite themselves, but MM's are of a different ilk.

Talking about how, in her youth, she felt she 'couldn't say no' to wanking off several men indecently exposing themselves and masturbating in public (aka sexual predators) isn't really a joke.
It's an apparently true story about how a young lesbian felt as though she had to sexually satisfy several sexual predators in order to 'support the troops' or some nonsense, but really it was quite pleasant and not a big deal at all, even though she felt as though she couldn't say no.

I'm sure she intended it to be an amusing anecdote but it's really quite bizarre and disturbing. And the way she keeps trotting out her few 'escapades' with men is odd. Doesn't she have any funny lesbian anecdotes to share?

Sorry but that is ridiculous. MM has not sexually harassed anyone.

I agree - it's really not a great message. I don't think that's what lies behind people's descriptions of her as 'vile' and 'vulgar' though.

OK - so would it be ok for Bob to talk about slapping your arse, or feeling some woman’s tits, or giving them oral sex in the park?

Or even funny stories about places she’s been and people she’s met? It doesn’t have to be all sex and farting, surely?

Let me introduce you to Men. They are a different beast.

No, that’s not good enough. If it’s not ok for Bob (and it’s not) it’s not OK for Miriam either.

As a PP suggested. Do you thing the fat, old, not conventionally attractive woman would get airtime without the filthy stories? You know, if we just recognised her obvious talent as an actor and her intelligence? Isn’t it a bit depressing that a woman who’s been working as an actress for 6 decades is primarily known and promoted for her ‘filthy stories’? That’s not what I’d consider any kind of progress.

I can assure you the average men would be delighted at a young woman coming up to him and wanting to wank him off. Yep, it's gross. That's men.

To compare it to a woman being groped is obviously ridiculous.

Let me introduce you to young women who don’t benefit from ‘not being able to say no to tossing off 3 men’ being passed off to them as an amusing anecdote.

Oh my god, that is so not what is going on. She's funny. People like that.

You seem to like humour at its lowest denominator so why not them too? Or is it only crass, vulgar women you approve of? If Miriam wasn’t Oxbridge educated and just came from a rough council estate and worked at the local chippy would you be championing her coarseness and vulgarity quite so much?

I was comparing the tendency of some people to excuse shitty behaviour because the person concerned is “of a different era”. But I suspect you knew that.

She is spectacularly not funny.

That's the point of the humour - we find it funny coming from a 'posh' person.

Again, LMAO at this description of me. I really, really don't like vulgar humour.

I have sons and I’m pretty sure they would not! They have lovely, intelligent gorgeous gf’s who they dote on.

It's not 'shitty behaviour' - it's sad. It's messed up. Thank goodness times have changed.

I never watch her when she guests on chat shows as can't stand how she resorts to shocking people just for the sake of it. It's also disrespectful to the other guests, who are forced to laugh politely and pretend to be amused. It's a shame as I find her very engaging and talented as an actor - hilarious in Blackadder and brilliant as the mother abbess in Call The Midwife! 🤔

Because the working class are notoriously foul mouthed and tossing off men by the dozen? Nice.

I think most people just don't want to hear a celeb suddenly break out a story about their problematic sexploits on a talk show?

It's vulgar to force everyone to think in detail about your sexual activities, and I feel bad for the celebrities stuck on the couch with her, honestly. It's disrespectful of others' boundaries. They haven't consented to hear her talking about 'creaming her pants' over Laurence Olivier, or wanking a man off. It's like forcing everyone else to participate in your kink without consent.

If Ian McKellan sat down on the couch and said he got a 'raging hard-on' when he met Maggie Smith (for example) years ago, or recounted with relish that when he was a young man he'd finger-banged a woman who'd been hiding up a tree 'pleasuring' herself, and then felt he couldn't say no to the other woman hiding in a bush watching so finished her off too, and then trotted those same stories out at half the interviews he was in, I think a lot of people would consider him pretty vile!

I'm sure your sons would be horrified at the thought. Average Bloke often not so much sadly.

The sexual politics between men and women in the different scenarios described are clearly entirely different.

I’m not comparing the groping. I’m comparing talking about it as though it’s a funny story.

Are you actually serious with these points?