Why am I paying for these people to get benefits when they have

[Hedgehogbrown]

Only joking! If I have to see another thread from some selfish fucker moaning about other people having seemingly more than them, I'm going to rip my eyes out. Pay your fucking taxes and stop being so selfish! Or quit your job and go on benefits then if it's such the high life.

They also hate those of us who work and don’t get much money.

If I were to be on benefits, with rent paid for for me and a couple of kids knocking about I’d not be called entitled or ungrateful for wanting a bit more support. But because I don’t have a £100k a year career, I’m the devil incarnate

Hope you don’t use Amazon then 😉

I’m not an ableist. I don’t know what you’re on about with name changes but I don’t, I stand by what I say. Why should people who have kids get the equivalent of a £100k a year salary through the state?

You started the hideous thread about “luxury cars” on Motability and then fanned the flames of a 1000 post thread slagging off disabled people.

You actually think being on benefits would give you a good life? 😂 You are deluded.

Did you accept maternity pay? Then you have also been a benefit scrounger. Why should people pay you to sit on your arse and be post partum? Get a job!

You’ve only been working for three years! Show a bit of humility. You are not a net contributor to the system.

Keep working hard and you’ll get there. Those people who get benefits for their kids end up in quite a bad way when the kids hit 18. Much better to pay your way and have some compassion for those who can’t.

What a ridiculous thing to say. The majority of people in this country are decent therefore the majority of people with 3 or more children will be decent too.

That's nice of you.

You do realise that if people on UC could manage to buy a house (and I will never stop trying, because I want that security for my children), they'd save the government a fortune in housing payments

I have previously worked in welfare AND fraud so I know for a fact benefits can give you a better life than someone not claiming if you know how to play to system. Im not saying everyone is living the high life, I am saying a lot of people are much better off claiming benefits than a full time worker is earning minimum wage or near to minimum wage not claiming. And the amount of claims to different benefits is rising year after year to an unsustainable amount which means workers get shafted each budget because they need to get the money from somewhere to pay for the ever growing welfare bill. So no I’m not deluded. You are.

I think this only applies if you have kids under 18, rates are incredibly low if you don’t - this is why we end up with a lot of over 50s lifetime claimants with kids grown up playing on the old bad back etc - they need to get the various ‘add ons to still make it pay - basically it’s ‘kids and conditions’ plus overpriced housing from private landlords and childcare that are the reason you see what look like huge payments. however in all fairness in 50s onwards that’s also the time where a lot of people who have been fit and well and working can develop chronic illness - I had various debilitating neuro issues after covid for around a year and if it wasn’t for the fact we work for ourselves I’m not sure I could have worked or been reliable.

We just can't afford to have so many people on benefits, it was meant to be a safety net not a permanent arrangement for millions of people. I don't know what you do about it but it's just unsustainable.

Most people on benefits DO work. The UC is on top of what they earn because their income is too low to live on. Rent is ridiculously high compared to minimum wage, especially in London. Tackling housing costs would make a huge difference to this country. But we can’t because of potential negative equity. So we need more social housing at a reasonable rent, rather than UC covering extortionate rental cost in the private sector.

I don’t care what anyone thinks about anything.
You can’t possibly do anything that pleases everyone so just please yourself.
I have heard everything from if you don’t work you are lazy and shouldn’t have children to why have children and then farm them out for someone else to bring up and then you take all the credit yourself.
Then there’s been if you spend too much on your child they are spoilt brats to if you are getting any help and spend anything on yourself you are neglecting your children because anyone on benefits seems to be expected to have greying hair and no makeup.
My children are teens now and happy, that’s all that matters to me.
UC if not for disability in the majority cases is a top up only so people working the same hours as everyone else can actually afford to pay their bills because many jobs pay below the amount to survive.
Why shouldn’t someone working full time have enough money to pay their bills and feed a family? Wages vary but life costs the same and everyone who works should have the same respect regardless of their earning ability.

Indeed , it is the main underlying issue affecting so many things

£1000 of extra money sounds great.
Why wouldnt it be
£0 sounds like they are doing nothing at all

Of course no one’s forced to save whilst we are forced to pay tax and ni.

Surely the issue sits in exaggeration / hyperbole / assumptions & lack of nuance?

There are people who cheat the benefits system - therefore everyone on benefits is a scrounger...

I am disabled and need benefits - therefore everyone on benefits is fine - tax the wealthy more.

The reality is of course none of the exaggerated statements people make...

• There are people who abuse / 'play' the benefits system and who choose to get benefits instead of working - and yes we should clamp down on that - if for no other reason than that it frees up money for those who really need it
• There are people getting benefits for reasons where decades ago they would have simply got on with life - some of those are good changes and we should be providing benefits - some of them are bad and there are now people on benefits who perhaps shouldn't be
• Just taxing the wealthy (as per this government) doesn't work that simply - as is being played out in real time in our country - the super wealthy just move - they are geographically mobile and welcome in any country due to their wealth, so they will be resident wherever is best for them at a tax level. Over-taxing businesses also doesn't work - they too just move - the wealthy have the tools to be flexible, the less wealthy don't.

What we need is:

• A country that encourages wealth generation (business growth drives wealth) - currently businesses are looking for reasons not to employ people because it is more and more expensive - higher minimum wage for students sounds great - but not if businesses will no longer employ them - there is a balance to be found...
• People do need to shoulder their responsibilities - and that doesn't just mean in terms of the super wealthy being taxed more - it means society finding better ways to return to communities that support and look after each other (reducing the need for as much care for the elderly or disabled) It means finding ways to help businesses to employ those who would otherwise find employment difficult - whether that is a single parent with the school run to do where working from home or part time may help - to those with disabilities and making it easier for them to be in the work place... if governments put money into supporting those things, it would have a cumulatively bigger effect than simply paying out cash to the same people who 'can't work' - the same cash could go out, but there would be more wealth generated = more taxes...
• People need to stop expecting life to be easy - e.g. the comment above about not affording a house - saying things like 'why should I go without luxuries...' well because that is how you save and prioritise what is important - if nights out with mates are more important than a house - then don't complain... There is definitely a lot more entitlement than there used to be...

Overall - we must be compassionate to those who most need our compassion - look after those who can't look after themselves - but find ways for those who could work to work, so that we reduce the cost of benefits, and increase wealth generation - but that won't happen with this government...

True, but we can expect mums on a platform for mums to not be quite so vicious about policies which support mothers and children.

It was like that when I was in my 20's too. Nobody could afford to buy a place of their own; you were lucky if the council put your name on their council house waiting list, let alone get to the top of it (yes there was a thing called a council house in those days); and privately-rented starter homes were thin on the ground. People got married and lived with one set or other of parents - sometimes for years, until their savings and joint incomes were high enough to qualify for a mortgage. Even then, with joint income they would take 3x the man's income and only 1x the woman's. It was pretty difficult. Always has been.

Its shit isn't it. I was pleased that Sonia sodha raised this issue of struggling young people on Question time and got applauded for it. Low wages, spiralling house prices, student loans that will never be repaid and a non existent graduate job market. Yet the only money available if for pensioners and those on benefits.

What work do you think my son could do? Hes not physically disabled, but hes severely autistic with the cognitive ability of a toddler, non verbal he will be 16 in a few months
Bear in mind He would need 2:1 supervision im a work place.

That's mainly because at the time of Covid a lot of people were still on tax credits, and now everyone's been migrated over. A lot of these people will be working.

But most people on benefits are working full time.
Why should anyone work full time and not get enough money to pay their bills and buy food?
It’s called earning a living but so many people are not earning enough to live on so people earning more are having to subsidise them and of course that courses resentment and blame on people who are not to blame when the cost of living (yes being alive) comes to more than a lot of wages.

How on earth can you say most people on benefits are working full time?