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Fancy cars for disabled people

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LemaxObsessive · 16/11/2025 19:23

Motability.

I am sick to absolute death of seeing people saying on various threads, that Motability vehicles are “given” to us disabled people “for free”.

PIP is awarded in 2 separate elements.

  1. Daily Living (day to day care needs etc)
  2. Mobility
Each element is paid at different rates depending on how affected by your disability you are (and yes, medical evidence is required). However, to be eligible for Motability, you need to be getting the highest rate of the Mobility element. This is currently £77.05 per week (which works out at £308.20 per 4 weeks or £333.88 per month).

When you join Motability you agree for the DWP to give Motability that £77.05 per week instead of it being paid to your bank. If you also receive the Daily Living element of PIP then you will still receive that directly.

You ALSO, in most cases, have to pay an advance payment (AP) for the vehicle. The better the vehicle, the higher the AP. You do not get the AP back.
The £77.05 per week pays for the lease of the car, insurance, roadside assistance, tyres & windshield cover. Disabled people in receipt of the highest rate of the PIP mobility element are already exempt from road tax.

With regards to the ‘fancy’ cars such as BMW, Audi & Mercedes, as you can imagine all of these have a whopping great AP in the multiple thousands of pounds; Which as I said, you don’t get back.
The taxpayer is not paying a penny towards these vehicles besides the fact that Motability don’t currently pay VAT which I believe is up for discussion.

I think a really important point to make here is that PIP is categorically not means tested (even millionaires can claim it, provided their health meets the criteria) and is not paid to replace a disabled person’s income! In other words, people do not live off PIP instead of working, it is paid to cover the added costs associated with being disabled. Costs non-disabled people likely have never even considered, such as cleaners when we can’t do it, basic gardening when we can’t do it, extra electricity for when medical equipment is used at home, ready meals when we’re bed-bound, delivery charges for every single thing we buy because click & collect isn't possible, taxis to work because the bus always already has a wheelchair user on it, along with lots of other small but mounting costs we have zero choice but to pay because the alternative isn’t an option for us. The lowest rate of PIP is just £29.20 per week so we’re not talking big money!

Millions of PIP claimants work full time but crucially, couldn’t do so without PIP and in many cases, without Motability!

As I said above, even wealthy people are eligible to claim PIP to cover the added costs associated with their disability and they can, if they receive the highest rate of the Mobility Component of PIP choose to use Motability. If they want to spend £7,999 plus £77.05 per week to lease an Audi Q4 for 3 years then they can but not many do because it’s a lot of money to have nothing to show for it after 3 years.

So no, nobody is being ‘given free BMWs, Audis or Mercedes’ regardless of what’s being said by anyone!

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youalright · 16/11/2025 21:56

Vivi0 · 16/11/2025 21:44

I can’t imagine being this naive.

My cousin has sole use of my gran’s Motability car.

My gran is perfectly fine and able to get around on her own, and she does.

She has no benefit from the vehicle.

They are not some kind of evil geniuses - they are absolutely not the only ones doing this.

How old is your Gran and what medical evidence was sent in if she's completely fine

Kendodd · 16/11/2025 21:56

Elleherd · 16/11/2025 19:56

do so many people need additional mobility funding?

Born visibly disabled, developed additional disabilities over time.
Self employed (no one wants to give me a job) wheelchair, several physical disabilities, no motability vehicle.
Simply can't pay my own way without additional mobility funding as being this disabled is actually expensive.

Two options:

  1. help me be able to access paid work so I am not on UC and as a bonus do something useful for society..
  2. Take away mobility funding, put me on UC, and make me stay at home doing nothing and not doing something useful.

Guess which one is cheaper and better value for the tax payer? (of which I am one)

Not having a go or criticising you, but why is a mobility car the only way for you to get to work and the alternative without the mobility car UC?
Many people need a car to get to work and couldn't work without it but don't have access to a mobility car, they have to provide their own car, paid for from their wages. You would just continue working and pay for your own car surely? Please don't be rude if I'm missing something obvious as to why you'd go on UC rather than pay for your own car, just explain the reason as this doesn't make sense to me.

Octavia64 · 16/11/2025 21:58

Titasaducksarse · 16/11/2025 21:51

I've no issue with the motability system but I just find it amusing, I suppose, that there are so many high performance cars with disabled badges that actually look really impractical. I sometimes think car sales people must push people to these cars.

Edited

Before I got divorced my and my ExH had a car each.

i had the practical xc90.

he had a midlife crisis jaguar.

it did, just, fit the manual wheelchair in the back.

hideously impractical but he loved driving it. Said my car was like a tank. (Not wrong!)

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WaitingForMojo · 16/11/2025 21:58

ElizabethG81 · 16/11/2025 21:30

I never said any of those things. I simply said benefits are free money, what else can they be? I get child benefit and it’s free money, I’ve not earned it.

I was wondering whether you class child benefit or state pension as free money too. I guess you do.

PIP isn’t a handout, it’s a statutory entitlement to level the playing field.

Happyjoe · 16/11/2025 21:58

LadyKenya · 16/11/2025 21:03

You can find all about the information, about who is eligible for higher rate for mobility PIP, online, the information is all there. This lady may have other issues that your security guard has no knowledge of, as well.

Edited

I did ask, he couldn't think of any. It is his daughter in law, so he would know her pretty well? But yes, you make a valid point. I don't think it's even an issue about getting out the house as she drives a long way to visit family on the Sussex coast often, and they all holiday together at Butlins.

Vivi0 · 16/11/2025 21:59

Donttellempike · 16/11/2025 21:51

Set out the criteria then

Why would I be able to - I had no involvement in any of this.

But my grandma is quite old, and has had issues with her knees for years and is on prescribed medication.

I’d imagine it was easy enough to provide medical evidence that her mobility is restricted due to the issues with her knees and that my cousin helps her with shopping/cleaning etc. But she is incredibly fit, independent and sharp. Does all her food shopping online. Walks everywhere.

We live in a benefit society where everyone seems to know exactly what they are entitled to if they meet x, y and z criteria.

Do you really think this kind of thing isn’t happening?

youalright · 16/11/2025 21:59

Kendodd · 16/11/2025 21:56

Not having a go or criticising you, but why is a mobility car the only way for you to get to work and the alternative without the mobility car UC?
Many people need a car to get to work and couldn't work without it but don't have access to a mobility car, they have to provide their own car, paid for from their wages. You would just continue working and pay for your own car surely? Please don't be rude if I'm missing something obvious as to why you'd go on UC rather than pay for your own car, just explain the reason as this doesn't make sense to me.

Because the cars are often adapted or need to be larger for mobility aids. A lot on mobility will just buy there own cars if they can as its cheaper

youalright · 16/11/2025 22:00

Vivi0 · 16/11/2025 21:59

Why would I be able to - I had no involvement in any of this.

But my grandma is quite old, and has had issues with her knees for years and is on prescribed medication.

I’d imagine it was easy enough to provide medical evidence that her mobility is restricted due to the issues with her knees and that my cousin helps her with shopping/cleaning etc. But she is incredibly fit, independent and sharp. Does all her food shopping online. Walks everywhere.

We live in a benefit society where everyone seems to know exactly what they are entitled to if they meet x, y and z criteria.

Do you really think this kind of thing isn’t happening?

How old is she?

Octavia64 · 16/11/2025 22:00

redange · 16/11/2025 21:51

The other thing do posters understand that if a Disabled Person has the 'magical' amount of £16K the only benefit available to them is PIP. whether daily ,mobility Standard or Enhanced. This means for instance that say 50 year old Autistic Man with a 'Masters Degree' with 25 years NI Contributions who has applied for 300 jobs since being made redundant 10 years gets Naff all apart from his enhanced PIP payment for Daily Needs ! (this man is a close friend)

There are so many problems with misspending and hopeless Government that the country is 'Skint' but it is not the fault of the disabled and even extremely bright people who are Un- Employable because of Autism !

He may be entitled to contributions related ESA.

i have over 16k in savings but because I have been in work for many years before I became too disabled to work I’m entitled to esa.

worth looking at.

(my savings are depleting as I spend money - pip of 300 a month doesn’t cover living expenses!)

ThejoyofNC · 16/11/2025 22:00

LemaxObsessive · 16/11/2025 21:02

So you’re saying that the food a disabled person eats, the tissue they wipe themselves with, the shampoo they use, the toast they spend in a morning is all free as well then, is it? Just because our money comes from the government does not make it free!
If I went out and found a lease separate to Motability which included insurance, would you be saying that was a “free car” then?! If not, why not?

Of course your money from the government is free in that you don't have to earn it. Now you're absolutely entitled to it and I'm glad it's available to people who need it, but it is money that is given to you for free. I don't really understand why you would argue against that tbh

redange · 16/11/2025 22:01

The funny thing is its the Labour Government that pushing the anti disabled rhetoric >>..

TheDevilFindsWorkForIdleMums · 16/11/2025 22:01

As for cars being used as ' family cars ' well a guy I work with (( absolute superstar he is, I'm honestly in awe of him )) starts work at 5am. Using his sons adapted vehicle.

He doesn't get a break at work, because his break is him leaving work to take his profoundly disabled child to school. This is because his needs are so high he cannot access school transport. He then drives back to work to finish his day. Then drives home before doing the school pick up.

I mean if he's only meant to use the car when his sons in it that would leave a dilemma......for a start the daily mail can label him one of those scroungers.

Is he meant to walk to work ? Then walk home, take his son to school, drive the wav back home then walk back to work before walking home and going to collect his son ? 🤔

Should he give up work and become an ultra scrounger for daily mail readers ?

Of course mobility cars are used as family cars. Yes they're for the person or child with a disability but at the same time most households can only afford one car. Suggesting there should be seperate cars for seperate people is just ridiculous 🙄

Donttellempike · 16/11/2025 22:01

Vivi0 · 16/11/2025 21:59

Why would I be able to - I had no involvement in any of this.

But my grandma is quite old, and has had issues with her knees for years and is on prescribed medication.

I’d imagine it was easy enough to provide medical evidence that her mobility is restricted due to the issues with her knees and that my cousin helps her with shopping/cleaning etc. But she is incredibly fit, independent and sharp. Does all her food shopping online. Walks everywhere.

We live in a benefit society where everyone seems to know exactly what they are entitled to if they meet x, y and z criteria.

Do you really think this kind of thing isn’t happening?

To resent someone with a disability having financial help says an awful lot about you.

Vivi0 · 16/11/2025 22:01

youalright · 16/11/2025 21:56

How old is your Gran and what medical evidence was sent in if she's completely fine

See my other post.

In her early 80s. She has had issues with pain in her knees for a long time and is on prescribed medication for them.

But she is fiercely independent. Walks everywhere (to be fair, everything she needs is within walking distance. Says it keeps her young and fit. She shops online etc.

GarlicHound · 16/11/2025 22:02

ThejoyofNC · 16/11/2025 19:59

It is free though. Choosing a free car instead of free money doesn't change the fact that it's free.

Disabled people need cars so I agree that there should be some kind of a motability system in place. However nobody needs a BMW and if you can afford the £££££ down payment for it then do you actually need a motability car?

That's an argument for means testing PIP, which I'm not against in principle.

It isn't an argument for stopping Motability.

On the slim chance you're interested, my condition makes me unsafe to drive so I have to get a taxi anywhere I want to go. That works out so expensive out here in the sticks, I hardly go anywhere! If the PIP mobility element were replaced by an 'in kind' substitute, taxi firms would be rolling in it and the government would be paying out way more.

CypressGrove · 16/11/2025 22:02

ThejoyofNC · 16/11/2025 20:22

In that case can I get all the money I've paid back as well? You said it's your money because you paid it in now you're getting it back. That argument really doesn't work or everyone would be entitled to get it back.

I'm not disputing that you're entitled to it due to your disability, but getting it back just because you've paid in is a silly argument.

Edited

Isn't that the case for all insurance though - you only get the money 'back' if the event occurs - they don't just hand it over for no reason. So I think the PPs argument makes sense.

Vivi0 · 16/11/2025 22:02

Donttellempike · 16/11/2025 22:01

To resent someone with a disability having financial help says an awful lot about you.

Where did you get that from?

I don’t resent anyone with a disability having financial help.

These threads are always characterised by hysteria

I don’t have an issue with Motability vehicles. I have an issue with the fraud that goes on and how so many people want to deny that it happens.

Donttellempike · 16/11/2025 22:03

Vivi0 · 16/11/2025 22:01

See my other post.

In her early 80s. She has had issues with pain in her knees for a long time and is on prescribed medication for them.

But she is fiercely independent. Walks everywhere (to be fair, everything she needs is within walking distance. Says it keeps her young and fit. She shops online etc.

She walks everywhere and has pain in her knees.

in her 80s. In Narnia.

Donttellempike · 16/11/2025 22:03

Vivi0 · 16/11/2025 22:02

Where did you get that from?

I don’t resent anyone with a disability having financial help.

These threads are always characterised by hysteria

I don’t have an issue with Motability vehicles. I have an issue with the fraud that goes on and how so many people want to deny that it happens.

Edited

From your posts love

WhineAndWine1 · 16/11/2025 22:03

Hmm my BIL has a mobility car and doesn’t have any issue with mobility nor is he a danger to himself or others. He is 100% at it and the whole family knows it. The only 30 year old who had a drink problem for a couple of years now gets full benefits and is never planning on working again.

MaroonedinWales · 16/11/2025 22:03

I briefly shared your concern regarding a 2 million population drop in NI, until I read that it's population has grown at a steady, if somewhat unimpressive average of 0.5% per annum for the last 25 years, and its population is reported as well below 2 million total now with an expetation of reaching 1.95 million by 2033. What is the 2 million population reduction you mentioned referring to?

redange · 16/11/2025 22:04

Why should PIP be means tested when we are paying UC to over 1 million non UK citizens !

WeepingAngelInTheTardis · 16/11/2025 22:04

Vivi0 · 16/11/2025 22:01

See my other post.

In her early 80s. She has had issues with pain in her knees for a long time and is on prescribed medication for them.

But she is fiercely independent. Walks everywhere (to be fair, everything she needs is within walking distance. Says it keeps her young and fit. She shops online etc.

Strange that as you cannot get motability cars on attendance allowance….

Donttellempike · 16/11/2025 22:05

redange · 16/11/2025 22:04

Why should PIP be means tested when we are paying UC to over 1 million non UK citizens !

scapegoat bingo. 😂😂😂😂😂

Vivi0 · 16/11/2025 22:05

WeepingAngelInTheTardis · 16/11/2025 22:04

Strange that as you cannot get motability cars on attendance allowance….

I don’t even know what that is 😂

The denial on this thread is astounding.

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