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Labour isn't working - Thread 19

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TheNuthatch · 13/11/2025 20:08

A chat thread for those who don't like this Labour government. 💙

We are bracing for the budget 😬

The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.

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Legolava · 15/11/2025 19:54

Damnthetorpedoes · 15/11/2025 19:51

I’m actually nursing a glass now (think Ange sized bucket)…

Careful now. We don’t want you posting offensive pictures to get the thread pulled!

Rexinasaurus · 15/11/2025 19:55

Damnthetorpedoes · 15/11/2025 19:51

I’m actually nursing a glass now (think Ange sized bucket)…

Ooo good idea… Although I’d have to turn this phone off.. be reminiscent of days of yore, when I might wake up trying to remember What Happened Last Night. But then there was very little evidence. Now.. uh oh! How do the young deal with it? Maybe they don’t drink as much as we did ..

NoWordForFluffy · 15/11/2025 19:56

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ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 15/11/2025 19:58

I have Wine as well.

And some Basque cheesecake from Waitrose. While I can still afford it.

Damnthetorpedoes · 15/11/2025 19:59

Rexinasaurus · 15/11/2025 19:55

Ooo good idea… Although I’d have to turn this phone off.. be reminiscent of days of yore, when I might wake up trying to remember What Happened Last Night. But then there was very little evidence. Now.. uh oh! How do the young deal with it? Maybe they don’t drink as much as we did ..

Yes! I think many young people today are much more abstemious - god knows how they couple up! Maybe that’s why there’s a demographic crisis!

Damnthetorpedoes · 15/11/2025 20:00

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 15/11/2025 19:58

I have Wine as well.

And some Basque cheesecake from Waitrose. While I can still afford it.

Ooh - that’s a great combo!

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 15/11/2025 20:01

Damnthetorpedoes · 15/11/2025 20:00

Ooh - that’s a great combo!

Not complaining!

I usually work late into the evening and can't have wine, but it's the weekend.

Damnthetorpedoes · 15/11/2025 20:02

FT view

Sir Keir Starmer’s Labour party never promised much excitement. What it did seem to offer was stability and grown-up government, sorely lacking under recent Conservative predecessors. This week’s self-generated crisis over the prime minister’s leadership and a startling Budget U-turn have shredded Labour’s claim to quiet competence.

They ratchet up the jeopardy around a Budget that was already crucial to the government’s fortunes and those of the country. On Wednesday, bemused Britons woke to reports that the unpopular prime minister was vowing to fight off any challenge to his leadership.

Unnamed briefers pointed a finger at health secretary Wes Streeting, one of his more capable ministers. Streeting was forced to deny traitorous intent, and decry efforts to “kneecap” him by a “toxic” culture in Downing Street. By Friday, the headlines were dominated by news first reported by the Financial Times that the government had scrapped a Budget plan to break its manifesto promise and raise income tax rates — for which it had spent weeks preparing the ground.

The volte-face was explained in part by an improved forecast from the government’s fiscal watchdog, putting an expected £30bn hole in the public finances at nearer £20bn. But the move also reflected fears that the tax plan would further alienate voters and fractious Labour MPs. Sterling and the gilt markets reacted badly.

This is a government that, thanks to its own mis-steps, has burned right through the political capital its landslide election victory earned it just 16 months ago. If the briefing of an alleged coup plot was intended to head off such an eventuality and bolster the prime minister, it did the opposite.

Streeting handled the episode with quiet steeliness and deft wit, displaying communications skills that Starmer lacks. For the prime minister, in contrast, the incident exposed how tenuous his grip has become both on his MPs and on his own Downing Street operation.

The Budget U-turn strengthens that impression. After preparing expectations for a breach of Labour’s ill-advised pledge not to raise rates of income tax, national insurance or VAT, this is no minor pivot. But it follows a series of other retreats — on cuts to winter fuel allowances for pensioners and on welfare reform. They paint a picture of a government that, despite its majority, can no longer be sure of securing its own MPs’ backing.

This is an environment in which back-stabbing thrives. The government appears to have feared it could not portray the confidence and unity of purpose needed to survive the fallout from breaking its pledge. But a readiness to make hard choices to put the public finances back on a sustainable footing, even at a high political cost, might have reassured the gilt markets and business enough for borrowing costs to ease and growth to pick up, creating a virtuous circle.

The risk now is that by opting for a “smorgasbord” of smaller tax measures which might be more harmful for growth in key parts of the economy, the Budget will land badly with investors and businesses. That could rebound politically on the government in any case. Westminster wisdom before this week was that a challenge to the prime minister was unlikely before a likely Labour debacle in next May’s Scottish and Welsh parliament and English local elections.

If the Budget backfires, the prospect of a near-term rebellion will mount. A more benign fiscal forecast may ease somewhat the formidable task chancellor Rachel Reeves faces in creating sufficient headroom in her Budget on November 26. But this week’s turbulence only raises the stakes — for the job security of the prime minister and chancellor, and for Britain’s economic future.

Rexinasaurus · 15/11/2025 20:04

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 15/11/2025 19:58

I have Wine as well.

And some Basque cheesecake from Waitrose. While I can still afford it.

Ohh yes! I’ve been eating Waitrose goodies from our trip earlier. Freshly baked olive bread, florentines, and fresh spicy sushi.. The main bill was £165 which was a surprise! One of my favourite treats from childhood are Fig Rolls. They were £1.50ish a packet. For Fig Rolls. Food prices are crazy these days.

Well, some 🍷 🍷 now, good idea.

Rexinasaurus · 15/11/2025 20:05

Damnthetorpedoes · 15/11/2025 19:59

Yes! I think many young people today are much more abstemious - god knows how they couple up! Maybe that’s why there’s a demographic crisis!

😂😂😂🤣🤣🙈 Ahh memories..

justasking111 · 15/11/2025 20:06

Rexinasaurus · 15/11/2025 20:04

Ohh yes! I’ve been eating Waitrose goodies from our trip earlier. Freshly baked olive bread, florentines, and fresh spicy sushi.. The main bill was £165 which was a surprise! One of my favourite treats from childhood are Fig Rolls. They were £1.50ish a packet. For Fig Rolls. Food prices are crazy these days.

Well, some 🍷 🍷 now, good idea.

Jakers I'm nursing a Pepsi Max. Now I want cheesecake 😭.

EasternStandard · 15/11/2025 20:07

Great FT writing. Burned through political capital indeed.

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 15/11/2025 20:09

Rexinasaurus · 15/11/2025 20:04

Ohh yes! I’ve been eating Waitrose goodies from our trip earlier. Freshly baked olive bread, florentines, and fresh spicy sushi.. The main bill was £165 which was a surprise! One of my favourite treats from childhood are Fig Rolls. They were £1.50ish a packet. For Fig Rolls. Food prices are crazy these days.

Well, some 🍷 🍷 now, good idea.

I love fig rolls.

And florentines. I did buy some nice ones in Morrisons once.

Couldn't find any Garibaldis though.

NoWordForFluffy · 15/11/2025 20:12

I don't recall the last time I saw a Garibaldi. Can't say I've been looking, mind! 🤣

I've been baking today: mince pies and sausage rolls. We're about to have beef casserole as well.

SpaceRaccoon · 15/11/2025 20:12

Without alcohol I'd probably still never have had so much as a snog. I was a great believer in "drink till he's cute".

Legolava · 15/11/2025 20:13

I’ve opened the wine. Looking at all the professional memberships we will now be declaring on tax returns. We know how to live. My husband is genuinely the most generous man financially. He gives loads away. I would say I’m the same. I didn’t teach for fun with my (virtual) stab vest. I give my time when I don’t really have to to be honest.

I have NEVER seen him get so financially petty 🫣😂

Octoberthewhatnow · 15/11/2025 20:14

I hate to say it (might rile the trolls!) but Fortnum's Florentines really are the best. £25 for a box but they are joyous. Have them every Christmas 🥰

justasking111 · 15/11/2025 20:16

@Damnthetorpedoes . Have you noticed certain people slithering in and out of Downing Street on a regular basis. Bill Gates, being one. BlackRock another. It's all very off IMO. Underhanded to be in thrall of people like this who really don't have a countries interests at heart. The labour MPs, ministers, the civil servants, have no knowledge of what transpires at these meetings . Starmer may think he's got the cream of the crop advising him. I don't agree.

Warren Buffet has retired from it all. He knows what's happening. Is inured and knows family are what he'll concentrate on now.

Legolava · 15/11/2025 20:17

Octoberthewhatnow · 15/11/2025 20:14

I hate to say it (might rile the trolls!) but Fortnum's Florentines really are the best. £25 for a box but they are joyous. Have them every Christmas 🥰

I have been looking at their Advent Calendars 👀

Rexinasaurus · 15/11/2025 20:19

Octoberthewhatnow · 15/11/2025 20:14

I hate to say it (might rile the trolls!) but Fortnum's Florentines really are the best. £25 for a box but they are joyous. Have them every Christmas 🥰

Ooo might try those.. Feeding the trolls even more.. I was going to say this but thought better of it.. now you’ve dropped the Fortnum’s bomb…

The best florentines I’ve ever had (and I’ve had really too many), were from a chocolatiers in Bruges last year. Unbelievably good!

A blind taste test of Florentines.. a good Xmas game 😂

justasking111 · 15/11/2025 20:22

Stollen bites from Lidl are my weakness. Otherwise a jammy doughnut.

Legolava · 15/11/2025 20:22

justasking111 · 15/11/2025 20:22

Stollen bites from Lidl are my weakness. Otherwise a jammy doughnut.

They are amazing!

Octoberthewhatnow · 15/11/2025 20:22

Legolava · 15/11/2025 20:17

I have been looking at their Advent Calendars 👀

I sent one to a friend last year. She’s a good friend so if it had been crap, she’d have been honest! Apparently it was top notch. If a little heavy on tea…..

TheNuthatch · 15/11/2025 20:24

I've got a brew, and a chunk of Tesco own brand fruit and nut bar 😂😂
Living the high life.

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Octoberthewhatnow · 15/11/2025 20:24

Also agree that Lidl stollen is the best. Coop a close second! Fortnum's stollen is rubbish!

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