Labour isn't working - Thread 19

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We are bracing for the budget 😬

The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.

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My child remains in his private school. I'm happy for the VAT I pay to go to public funds. Vote Reform if you're not happy they will help.

Falseknock ·

I've got an idea for you, why don't you go round with a Labour Rosette on and knock on people's doors asking to come in just like a Jevohah Witness. You could them give them the 'talk' from the 'Superstar' named KS. I wonder how many cups of tea you will get given, as opposed to having a bucket of cold water thrown over you !

There's only one person on here persistently saying 'vote Reform', and it's not any of the Labour sceptics! Is this a kind of Derren Brown type thing? 🤔

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Is the OBR compromised now? A bit like the BBC? Have they lost their independence? Surely that is the most urgent question after last week and why markets are also jittery?

Clive Lewis is a real jerk !

Which seat does the King of the North fancy...
I might not even gain Bootle in a By- Election.

I think they probably would want Graham Stringer in Middleton South and Blackley to stand down. Good Luck Very Close with Reform Favorite . The King of the North's ego could not stand being beaten in Greater Manchester, despite being a 'Scouser'.

Yeh I’m wondering what’s going on there.

Crossed my mind.

Andrew Bailey, too.

Dyslexia and bottom set Grammar School strikes again ! He might not even Gain Bootle in a By- election.

"This Budget is now short-term survival over winning in 2029."

At least one Labour minister is intelligent enough to understand the general chaos and read the public mood, and recognises his party is in serious jeopardy.

They were elected on lies and their deceit had been laid bare. People have lost patience and it's hard to ignore the sense of militancy in the air; apparently a group of men, tired of KS not following through with his promise to "smash the boats" have travelled to France with the aim of destroying the dinghies. It's not good.

If Reform gets in this place will turn upside down. I can see a hung parliament in the next election with the lib Dems.

I am really puzzled about council tax bands. Just booked mine up and mine for some reason mine is E, as is as is my immediate neighbour, yet we are the last umnodernised 2 bed Victorian cottages on our street. But others are in band C and D, no smaller, and ‘done up’…
I don’t know how the value was determined as in 1991 the house was 100 years old and hasn’t been sold in that time (same family occupied).
A ground around the corner with a 6 bed house, driveway etc, is in Band C…

They really should do it on square metersge of habitable space.

if Labour get in again we will do a 360 Degree turn with Guyana, which is now the fastest growing Economy in the World ....

Maybe some sort of calculation between that and current value? But then that might potentially hammer those who bought somewhere modest that had crazy price rises I suppose.
I'm most inclined now towards them Leaving it the Hell Alone and them not talking nonsense about doubling anything.

A bit like the everything’s fine Labour lot.

You can appeal that anomaly if your home is the same as others in your road.

You can bet that if any of us posted in the same way on the ‘other’ thread, it would all kick off.

It will, and it will affect mostly pensioners who probably won't have any disposable income.

And before someone says they should downsize, it's not always possible, it does not always make sense financially because moving is expensive and why should someone have to leave and area they know and are familiar with?

It's just cruel. I think many of my lovely neighbours will be negatively affected.

It will, there will be deletions all over the place.

But we're so much better, and also I can't be arsed to waste my time on there. it's fucking predictable, and frankly boring. I mean, I've seen enough cats anyway.

Same, same.

So much this. I’m on a street with widowed pensioners who have been in their houses for decades. They talk to their neighbours, there’s a community. They probably haven’t got long to go. People can wait before trying to kick them out.

Yeh not worth it.

I'm not sure it's even just an exodus from private schools I'm afraid.

It's exactly the same families being hit: over and over again. It's looking like £4-5k for school VAT (only 1 DC for us), £4k in council tax, £1-2k in NI on pensions, and whatever other batshittery they introduce in CGT on main home/pension relief reductions/lowering the higher rate threshold (£1k extra tax if it comes down £5k) etc.

That's looking like at least £10-£12k more tax - probably more. Out of already taxed income, as pp said, so about £20k of pre-tax income gone, which we would otherwise put into pensions, during these critical last 10-15 years of our careers where we're trying to build that up.

And the way they're mismanaging the economy, there will be even more tax rises next year. And I'm starting to see that the country will be so destitute by the time I retire that they'll means-test the pension: there are already rumblings. What I think will happen is that the locks will be lost one by one, until it isn't even increasing in line with inflation - at which point at 4% inflation it would be worth 1/3 of the current value (ie just £4k) after 30 years. They'll increase means-tested benefits to compensate - but only for pensioners on low income.

So I'm starting to think that we can't afford to stay in the UK until DD finishes her education. We need to use this last 10-15 years of working to build up pensions... and we can't do that with the government stealing all our income.

International British private schools (teach A levels in English) aren't any more expensive than UK ones once you add VAT, and at this level of overall taxation even international university fees (if she does want to come back to the UK) doesn't tip the balance. But hopefully she'd stay and go to University where we settle - lower fees, a better future for her, and then we'd all be in same country long term.

One of my neighbours is a keen gardener.
She told me how much she enjoys the trees and shrubs she planted years ago and they are now in their prime. It's her home. She might lose all that.

If the effect of all this additional taxation is to convince people to kick back, be less productive, don't push your luck, don't take a risk or make a bid for more, then I think it may be job done at chez Upstartled.

What a miserable state things are in. It is completely demoralising.