I don't want to pay more fucking tax!

[marthainthemarket]

I am the sole earner in a family of four, earning just under 40k a year and getting probably fuck all or below inflation pay increase next year, if I am lucky enough to keep my job ( public sector and employer needing to make massive budget savings). I barely cope now.

I am so fucking angry that Labour fucked up the disability benefit cuts. Other countries don't have run away disability benefits crises because they have a proper assessment process that means they keep a lid on people getting disability benefits who don't really need them. But instead of dealing with that, they came up with a crap proposed cut that wouldn't have dealt with the actual issues and they couldn't defend.

And having fucked that up they are now raising everyone's tax. I hate them!

So after the tax rises (and council tax rebanding so increases there) and loss of pension tax relief/lump sum will I be able to-

Get a GP appointment
Get an ambulance within a reasonable timescale
Have police deal with shoplifting and other crimes that they don't deal with just now due to shortages
Will our police be better armed to protect us.
Will A&E be not the mess it is now
Will they invest in things to make the future of the country better
Will they pay down some of our debt and restore our financial credibility

OR will they just chuck it into more PIP, housing benefit and other wasteful, badly run, abused services making no difference to the hard working among us but giving Kylie 'I'm so anxious and didn't bother getting any qualifications' Smith and her 6 kids with different fathers more income.

THAT's what's pissing people off.

Benefits should be ring fenced for people who have contributed (or their children.) It’s unsustainable to pay for economic migrants to stay in hotels & be fed & looked after for the rest of their lives.
people with anxiety should not get disability vehicles
stamp duty should be abolished-the housing market is stagnated because people cannot afford to move even though they would like to.
NHS needs a serious overhaul, no more diversity managers. Ban 1st cousin marriages resulting in seriously disabled children requiring lifelong care.

there are so many things that could be done, other than raise taxes

We can set up as many straw men examples as we want but fundamentally we’ve got much more being paid out than is coming in. Of course there are people that can’t pay tax, but we can’t be saying that the current level of spending is fine.

if so, why aren’t Labour balancing the books now? This won’t balance the books, it’s only about looking credible so we can keep borrowing and service our debt.

Get fucking over it.

No one wants to pay more tax @marthainthemarket but we need more money and it has to come from somewhere. There is no magic money tree.

I think many are unaware of how much shit we are in. After years of Austerity, Brexit and Covid, Liz Truss brought us to the brink of bankruptcy. It's going to take time and money for the UK to recover.

Exactly, it would be better if we just had the bond market crisis and got it over with, Labour need to go soon, hopefully there will be an early election after they replace KS.

Brexit has been a financial shitshow as well as a massive waste of Parliamentary time & resources.

Wed have been in a better place financially if they’d ignored it.

Which tax increases will you get hit by exactly?

Are you a partner in a law firm? Are you due to inherit many, many million pounds worth of agricultural land? Are you making your money from capital gains not from actually working? If so - yes you might have to pay more tax. Let me reach for my tiny violin.

Of course not but at some stage we all know of people who could work but play the system.

Why do we keep having General Elections if it’s wrong to vote again on something?
Why did we have the EU referendum? We’d had one before.
Democracy isn’t static.

Tall poppy syndrome alive and well.

I’m sure Rishi’s sudden let’s introduce National Service was a deliberate attempt to help lose the election.

Thankfully I didn’t vote labour (or Tories or Reform).

Asylum seekers don't stay in funded hotels ‘for the rest of their lives’. Economic migrants don't stay in them at all.
You can’t get a disability vehicle for anxiety, and in any case the person pays for the vehicle.
Removing stamp duty would just increase house prices (it’s been tried)
The NHS has fewer managers than comparably sized organisations.
Not sure what the nonsense about cousins is for
Anything else?

This.

"There is no magic money tree."

Unless the bankers are threatened by the risk of all their magic money mortgages and other debt not being paid back (2008 and Covid) then SHAZZAM! It appears, LOL.

We were sold a false bill of goods.
Work hard for good GCSE grades. ✅
Work hard for good A Level grades. ✅
Go to uni and get a degree (Labour abolished government funded tuition, but not to worry—your accelerated salary will fund your repayment plan). ✅
Whoops, our manifesto isn’t fully funded, despite promising that it was before the election. And the once-in-a-lifetime employer NI increase 11 months ago that was going to be “difficult, but by taking the hard choice now, we won’t need to make any further tax rises”—that didn’t pan out. So we need to come for the “wealthy” £45k+ earners to bear the brunt. ✅

Seriously. We were promised the world, only to be treated like a £45k cash cow. What was the point?

I see no signs of replacing Starmer, or reason to. But if they did, why would that precipitate a GE? The Tories changed PMs like their underwear and didn’t have them.

The only people who can afford a rise is tax are the ones who are rich and well connected enough to dodge it anyway. In any case, only those earning above £150,000 year as a household should have their taxes raised. The fact that someone earning £51,000 is paying the same tax as someone earning £120,000 is ABSURD.

I thought the magic money tree was the VAT on independent schools? Where’s that money gone?

Always found it strange that Covid appeared and they cranked up the money printer in 2020........

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/September_2019_events_in_the_U.S._repo_market

Same RATE of tax. Not same tax.
We could try closing loopholes so the rich can’t avoid taxes.

Nope. Just pay your taxes like the rest of us. Why do you want to sit on your backside take income from stocks and shares and pay less tax than the rest of us? Nothing to do with tall poppies. Just rich people thinking they need to pay less tax than those who are employed. Embarrassing and unpatriotic.

Other countries also have higher tax regimes to pay for better benefits, use mandatory and regulated insurance systems to pay for health care (which is free at point of access and insurers have no input to healthcare, so not US style), 'free' higher education etc. Perhaps if we were prepared to pay more tax (i.e. share the wealth) and live less hedonistically we might do better? Or we could run the economy for the people not for the profit of the super rich, of course.

Bloody hell why are you going after the disabled. The disabled bill is to cover disabled people. I have a disabled child we get DLA for.
I was in good money pre children and loved my job. DLA doesn't cover my loss of earnings and doesn't cover the costs we occur through disability.
Tax increases will also effect us as spouse works and their wage has to cover everything as I can't work due to childs needs.
Did you seen the news yesterday of shoes outside LAs across the country showing a small amount of the children being failed again and again by the government
Disabled people are screwed over right left and centre but you want to take away their benefits too

More accurately more people want the Government to spend more money on services so long as the tax rises are on somebody else.