I don't want to pay more fucking tax!

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I am the sole earner in a family of four, earning just under 40k a year and getting probably fuck all or below inflation pay increase next year, if I am lucky enough to keep my job ( public sector and employer needing to make massive budget savings). I barely cope now.

I am so fucking angry that Labour fucked up the disability benefit cuts. Other countries don't have run away disability benefits crises because they have a proper assessment process that means they keep a lid on people getting disability benefits who don't really need them. But instead of dealing with that, they came up with a crap proposed cut that wouldn't have dealt with the actual issues and they couldn't defend.

And having fucked that up they are now raising everyone's tax. I hate them!

I totally agree with this. I don't have children as I am not mentally robust enough to do so.

Thankfully I do. I like how everyone goes on about being self efficient but noone has anything to say about the ridiculous cost of housing.

Ill health benefits now account for 70% of all revenue raised from income taxes

That is NOT what the articles says.

Sir Charlie found that a 22-year-old who is not in work for health reasons could be more than £1 million worse off over their lifetime, while employers are losing an average of £120 per day in profit from absences.

The cost to the state is also vast - it is costing 7% of GDP, or almost 70% of the income tax we pay, through "lost output, increased welfare payments and additional burdens on the NHS", which is "unsustainable".

Agree with that. If the working class/ person were not expected to fund the benefit class through increased taxes they would be able to afford housing.

I used to work full time in a NMW job. No top ups, and I lived alone in a flat. It was £350pm rent (this was about 15 years ago). I was not going on expensive holidays or anything, but life was ok.
You can't even be a lodger anywhere in the country for that now.

I think there is something very wrong when the people working full time are blamed for things like the cost of housing going out of control, and the every rising price of food and bills, and they are told that they have to take more responsibility and just "do better".
Not everyone can do better.

Another day, another depressingly predictable MN disabled bashing thread descends into a festering cesspit of hate and bigotry.
I despair that this thread has filled up so quickly with hundreds and hundreds of ignorant, offensive and ill-informed comments. It is worrying to think that so many people who spew such hateful bile about disabled people, including children, walk amongst us and surprising, since I never hear people saying these things to me in real life.
Hopefully this is a sign that the posters realise, at some level, that their hatred of disabled people is socially unacceptable and that, were they to approach disabled people in real life and tell them they were a drain on society and it would be cheaper if they were humanely disposed of, that might make them look pretty evil! It doesn't stop these keyboard warriors from spreading their hateful rhetoric on here, with the veil of anonymity, but perhaps it should give them pause for thought as to why they're saying online something they wouldn't say in person to real disabled people.
Well done MN mods on continuing to operate your laisser faire approach to ableist hate speech, youre indulgent tolerance of bigotry is, as always, very evident, and you are doing sterling work to embolden bigots. Well done!

I've had MH issues as well. I overcame them. Obviously I do not know OP's situation at all.

I've had such horrible MH growing up.Thankfully I got through it, I hope PP improves.

I do agree that people who suffer physical and mental health disabilities need support. But barring that if the person is fit and able then what? If there is not mental or physical disability?

Pensioners contributed for decades when National Insurance meant something, and most disabled people would work if they could. The fiscal gap isn’t their fault — it’s the result of governments promising Scandinavian-level services while maintaining American-level taxes.

Well yes, but today’s pensioners are the ones who’ve been voting for these policies for decades. Why is it (still) that if a party’s election campaign suggests raising taxes, the press and public are up in arms and it’s a vote killer? There’s no free lunch here.

Not all children go on to being tax payers to be fair

It depends on the severity of the MH issues as well. With appropriate treatment, many MH issues can and do improve… I’ve always suffered from
anxiety and depression, yet I have been able to put myself through university and now work full time. It’s not always been easy, but it is much better than a life on the dole.

I think there are a fair few on here who don't think there should be any safety nets at all, tbh. Or that it should be like the US's piss-poor excuse for a safety net.

I remember a few months ago a poster saying she was in her 40s had autism and she hadn't worked in years because she's too scared to go outside.

Someone tried to give her advice on what simple easy low skill jobs she could do, but the poster didn't care. Poster said something "oh don't expect me to learn anything technical. I can barely use a laptop"

I think there are a fair few on here who don't think there should be any safety nets at all, tbh. Or that it should be like the US's piss-poor excuse for a safety net

I think they are happy with a safety net for them but not others & very happy to pull the ladder up behind them.

Then you are capable of earning. I'm not trying to minimise your struggle - I've had MH struggles too and am well aware how brutal they can be - but if I've understood you correctly, you're able to earn. Pp was trying to point out that some aren't. As in, they physically can't, not just 'it's hard'.

And if you've struggled with your MH yourself, why not try and be a bit more understanding of the struggles of others instead of punching down?

Look up the stats for how many with autism are in paid work. It is depressing.

Did the poster ask for advice, or was she just explaining her situation and people piled on? Unsolicited advice is often criticism.

And if someone has never had WFH job using a computer before, then how are they ever going to be the best candidate for a job working from home with a
computer? WFH jobs have a huge amount of competition for them already.

Why does anyone deserve a certain level of income due to the simple fact they work full time?

It's their job, their salary, their labour contract?

It's possible that some pensioners will need to pay some NI, sooner or later.

Pensioners used to be considered one of the poorest sectors of society, but this is not now the case.

What's wrong with getting people to do those hours in those jobs, making their benefits conditional on this, but classifying them as part-time council employees and paying them the same rate as other part-time council employees for the hours they do? And yes I do realise that might still be minimum wage, but classified as a p/t salary, which would top up their benefits. If you want to foster a sense of pride in working, surely that would be more effective if they were bona fide p/t employees and had some kind of incentive to do that 6-7 hrs of work.

All tax payers started out as children, to be fair.

For me it was my kids and a bit of getting back into faith and god. For me prayer helped. Exercise and healthy living helped as well

What’s the point of your response? I’m failing to see it.

Having children still remains to be a choice, and I don’t like some people’s attitude that having children means you’re doing some sort of honourable act of service for the economy - it doesn’t always work out that way.

Pensioners used to be considered one of the poorest sectors of society, but this is not now the case.

Yet so many refuse to recognise this.

My response is 100% as valid as your original remark.

It is a view from a different perspective.

Not all children go on to being tax payers to be fair

No but I would argue they have a greater chance if they don't grow up in poverty.

I doubt that many people feel anything but sympathy for those people who genuinely need benefits. But a large number of people are fully aware that among benefits claimants are those who could work with a bit of support but prefer to just take the easy option, and those who never intend to work and are quite aware that they could but are happy to live off benefits including those who work cash-in-hand as well.

Surely it benefits genuine claimants if those who do not need benefits are excluded from receiving them. There would be more money available, and those who are struggling to make ends meet and are paying taxes to support the non-workers would be much more willing to do so if they were confident they were only paying for those who really needed it. It seems odd that genuine claimants should have any problem at all with claims being thoroughly scrutinised, never mind calling people who support such scrutiny unpleasant names as above.