I don't want to pay more fucking tax!

[marthainthemarket]

I am the sole earner in a family of four, earning just under 40k a year and getting probably fuck all or below inflation pay increase next year, if I am lucky enough to keep my job ( public sector and employer needing to make massive budget savings). I barely cope now.

I am so fucking angry that Labour fucked up the disability benefit cuts. Other countries don't have run away disability benefits crises because they have a proper assessment process that means they keep a lid on people getting disability benefits who don't really need them. But instead of dealing with that, they came up with a crap proposed cut that wouldn't have dealt with the actual issues and they couldn't defend.

And having fucked that up they are now raising everyone's tax. I hate them!

Furthermore why should anyone get maternity benefits. Or even why should maternity care even be thing?

To be clear, because some are hard of hearing. Maternity benefits and child benefits are essential for a good economy in my opinion.

Yes thankfully the world is a different place than it was in 1945 - guess why? Because we’ve had kids and our population has grown, changed and developed.

My point is - is that every single mother gets this for their children. It’s been there for 80years. Why are my children not entitled to this payment because I earn slightly more than the next person? I pay significantly into the system.

And no I would never give up work, because I show a good example to my kids. Which is just another point really, because there are parents out there who are more than prepared to get every single benefit they possibly can without working a day in their life and never paying a penny into the system - what example is that showing their children? So before you go after me for being unhappy at being penalised for working hard, bear in mind, I’m not the type of person you need to be being angry at.

the idea of just handing out cash to all and sundry simply for having a child is simply ludicrous.

Why is this any more ludicrous than winter fuel? pension credit? social housing?

My point is - is that every single mother gets this for their children. It’s been there for 80years. Why are my children not entitled to this payment because I earn slightly more than the next person? I pay significantly into the system.

@Basilisthebestherb because there isn't much left for you now.

Child benefit should be universal. There are a lot of things the older generations have received that younger ones won't get but apparently the younger ones are entitled.

No.
A job is a job. But seems to not be enough for some people on here.

And those that do learn from the past get to stand by helplessly while everyone else repeats it.

If it's not enough, time on UC should be temporary as you look to find something else so you yourself can meet your expenses.

The point of child benefit was recognition that those of us having kids and producing the tax payers of the future who whose tax will be paying your pensions take a huge financial hit to have children compared to those who don’t

Which again, ignores the fact that we need people to do poorly paid jobs and students working part time aren't going to be enough to cover it all.

Then they pay for 12 hour care and do the rest themselves.

The family unit should be the place you look first for support, not the taxpayer.

If you aren't a specialist nurse, how do you do the rest yourself?

Most days I read mumsnet and a really big % of the threads are about being ill, claiming benefits, getting a council house, how to get PIP, being diagnosed with autism/adhd, can't work because of mental health of some sort, claiming luxury cars at mobility.

I see pretty much no threads on people talking about goals for future, starting their own business, going for a promotion ie things that would grow the economy.

It's really clear what is wrong with the country. It's a bunch of lazy, entitled, whingers.

At what point did grown up adults stop being responsible for paying their own bills, raising their own kids, sorting out their own accomodation and managing their own life.

You do know when you get benefits etc from the 'goverment' it's not actually the goverment who is paying for it. It's some other hardworking person working their balls off and being taxed and it being taken off them and given to the person who is getting benefits because they are anxious/depressed/have autism.

So everyone on benefits look round at your neighbours and try and figure out which of them is actually paying for your benefits. Now go up to them tonight and say hey John, I'm needing more money this money cos of my anxiety. So would you mind getting your wallet out. Yes I realise you are just home from a 12 hour day and are tired, but you know I need to get down the chippy before it shuts so stop being so selfish and get your money out. I've got anxiety don't you know

I say we just stop everyone's benefits for 3 months and see which of them starve and which of them have a miracle and suddenly get over their anxiety/depression/autism/whatever the fuck else is wrong with them.

What an embarassment this country has become.

And how do they manage to fit in working? It is just not a sensible suggestion.

There are MNers who who have worked 2nd jobs or started "side hustles" to make ends meet

Spot on, great summary.

As you asked…..

1. I personally feel they need to rewind the disability benefit claimant numbers to pre-covid levels. I don’t accept that 800k extra people have become disabled. This increase didn’t happen in other European countries. This may be easier said than done, but we need to get people into work even if it costs money in the short term
2. I think that there needs to be some sort of tax levied on people who have made astounding house price gains particularly over the last 30 years. This is a capital gain, the rises stop young people from buying property and the rents which are related take an ever larger part of their income.
3. All retiree benefits including state and public pensions needs to be means treated. If someone has say a £70k a year private pension and £1m in assets, they definitely shouldn’t be getting a state pension or winter fuel allowance.
4. I would scrap state pension for anyone under 35. Instead they should have a reduction in NI and that money should mandatorily go into a private pension scheme. We need to break the Ponzi scheme that is currently operating. They did this 15 yrs ago in Australia so it can be done.
5. vastly reduce stamp duty on property (currently highest in the world) and instead bring in a more meaningful annual charge which does increase with property value. This will also encourage older empty nesters to downsize.

There are many other things you could do, but those would be my big ticket items.

Then and only then would I increase taxes.

Not everyone is capable of earning more.
The PP said her MH issues limits what she can do. Finding a job that works around your own limitations so you do not become more unwell is more important than just earning more money.

Really?
Stopping money does not cure people of their disabilities.
People have had their money stopped and died.

Yes but then you should still self fund. If money is sparse become a lodger not expect the tax payer to provide your accommodation.

If you cannot make ends meet on a low paid job working the standard 40 hours.

You can take responsibility for yourself. Work more hours. Take on a second job.

I was inspired by a man who grew up dirt poor in the south side of Chicago. In times of struggle he would work 4 jobs. He did it and worked super super hard and worked his way out. He was disciplined and put the money he saved into his own business and now he's very successful.

PP has kids.

You are saying that people working full time in the low paid but very important jobs do not deserve enough to live on.
Right.

Yes really- try reading this recent article from Sky News:

Ill health benefits now account for 70% of all revenue raised from income taxes.

https://news.sky.com/story/sickness-bill-costs-85bn-year-says-new-report-which-warns-of-economic-crisis-13464243

This is quite simply unsustainable and has to stop. I also recognise that it won't be pretty but it has to stop.

This is all very well unless you expect someone else to work to pay your benefits. I have multiple mental health issues, most days are a struggle, but it would never occur to me to expect someone else to work to give me money.

There was one poster with parents who both had MH issues and she claimed to also suffer. It is genetic yet she also has children. Fine it is her choice but she knew the risk so should be expected to support themselves without tax payer help.