I don't want to pay more fucking tax!

[marthainthemarket]

I am the sole earner in a family of four, earning just under 40k a year and getting probably fuck all or below inflation pay increase next year, if I am lucky enough to keep my job ( public sector and employer needing to make massive budget savings). I barely cope now.

I am so fucking angry that Labour fucked up the disability benefit cuts. Other countries don't have run away disability benefits crises because they have a proper assessment process that means they keep a lid on people getting disability benefits who don't really need them. But instead of dealing with that, they came up with a crap proposed cut that wouldn't have dealt with the actual issues and they couldn't defend.

And having fucked that up they are now raising everyone's tax. I hate them!

We can weather this storm.

Not without radical change. We have never had the demographics we have now.

The benefits bill. They wanted to but the backbenchers scuppered it.
The Chagos thing potentially tanking will be quite the saving too.

All those people gleefully signing up to be furloughed on government pay, who campaigned for businesses to be shut for months, who took every covid business loan going if they needed it or not - yes. It completely fucked the economy, we borrowed billions.

If you voted for Brexit? How do you like them apples?

Our economy has not grown. Our country is getting poorer. The cake to be shared out is not as big as it was, we will all get less.

Waiting times in A and E and for treatment did improve dramatically during the last 2 labour governments.
There was also a lot of spending on early years education ( sure start), that was then dismantled by later governments.

I wonder how much would be raised if they scrapped the pension triple lock?

The issue is that some people object to that as well. They don't want them on benefits but don't feel they should get support such as reasonable adjustments in the workplace either.

Is this another Nigel Farage planted thread? We don’t know what is happening yet. Also, the OP hasn’t returned to explain why he is the sole earner for a family of four. Look forward to getting an update.

Facts matter.

Although clearly not to you.

The quicker people realise there is no 'left' and 'right' and that all parties work for the same people, the better. Instead of blaming one side, learn how to get around their made up 'laws'. There are loopholes to everything they come up with because they use those loopholes themselves. Be smart, stop voting people to tell you how to live your life. You're an adult. Own it.

We already do.

@belovedandpureones Genuine question, how do you determine someone is fraudulently claiming? The fraud rates are minuscule for PIP because it is so hard to get and you need medical evidence. How are people defrauding it? even the assessment itself is brutal and people often score 0 points in spite of medical evidence. How would you decide who is genuinely worthy of the benefit?

I have a hidden physical disability. I’m an ambulatory wheelchair user. I don’t look disabled but I am. So how would you tell?

Did you miss Reeves’ press conference today?

The Mental Health epidemic is going to be huge. This is just the tip of the iceberg. The growing number of young people with alphabet diseases who will probably never work and need to be supported by the welfare system is phenomenal. The government is only waking up to this. Taxes will have to go up and up and up again. It's not going to stop anytime soon. Maybe they'll be a shift to Universal Basic Income although I've never understood economically who pays for that (who does?)?

Thank God! I'm not far from retirement. I'd hate to be younger in this day and age...

The BBC recently wrote about the increase in mental health issues (see graph below).

I’m in my fifties. I am just on the borderline of the higher rate tax band. I work 50-60 hours a week and I’m not sure I can do more.
Ive seen enough labour govts to know this is how it goes. They improve public services and benefits but increase tax. I don’t know if it’s my age or just that I feel like I’ve got less energy now but this time the tax rises will hit me harder and I know I won’t be able to work more to make ends meet. Oh well. Onward and upwards.

Makes you laugh eh? Tories spent/wasted far far more of our money and left a huge debt with absolutely nothing to show for it. The way people go on that Labour are not good with money is a complete and utter lie.

I'm paying for all those years of Tory underinvestment in services. And they still fucked the economy.

No, saw it but there is no guarantee a worker on less than £40k will pay it. Unfortunately I agree with the other posters who say we are just asking too much for what we pay. We need to start having real conversations about people paying top up fees for NHS etc if they don’t want to pay more tax .

There was a very good reason this was brought in. Pensioners in Britain (and I remember it well) used to live in abject poverty. Thankfully we dealt with that. We should be proud not resentful.

I heard a commentator on radio 4 explain that Reeves doesn’t want to stop the capital investment projects (which will lead to growth in the long run) and she doesn’t want austerity which takes our services to their knees.

i hate paying more tax, but what other option is there?

Oh expect it’ll be the good old taxpayer paying UBI, we pay for everything else.

Labour fucked up in the last budget. Reeves needed to let everyone know that today, so tax rises aren’t a shock.

Tackle welfare?

The UK is paying for it NOW, and will continue to do so.

It can’t be repeated often enough.

Quite, but what would be a good idea would be to tell the country that they will only be doing this for one year.The voting populace would swallow that.
But putting it up and leaving it there?
They'll never get in again!

I'm not resentful. I just think that a hell of a lot of the pensioners don't need the pension, never mind the triple lock. Like Reeves said today, we ALL need to do our bit...not just people who work their fingers to the bone just to get by. So, I ask again: I wonder how much it would raise (or save) ?