I don't want to pay more fucking tax!

[marthainthemarket]

I am the sole earner in a family of four, earning just under 40k a year and getting probably fuck all or below inflation pay increase next year, if I am lucky enough to keep my job ( public sector and employer needing to make massive budget savings). I barely cope now.

I am so fucking angry that Labour fucked up the disability benefit cuts. Other countries don't have run away disability benefits crises because they have a proper assessment process that means they keep a lid on people getting disability benefits who don't really need them. But instead of dealing with that, they came up with a crap proposed cut that wouldn't have dealt with the actual issues and they couldn't defend.

And having fucked that up they are now raising everyone's tax. I hate them!

As a disabled person, I am sick to death of people like you thinking all the UK’s problems are the fault of people on disability benefits!

Do you know how hard PIP is to get? You need actual real life medical evidence to claim. This medical evidence is often ignored and many claimants need to go to tribunal who then apply the law to decide whether a person is entitled or not. A PIP claim can take years. It is not easy money.

Your comment on how the government “fucked up the disability benefit cuts” is incredibly infuriating. You’re angry that vulnerable people weren’t punished with cuts?! Damn right they should have U turned, it shouldn’t have been a consideration in the first place.

The current rhetoric in the media over disabled people , free cars and all the other misinformation to spread hate is causing a divisive and nasty population. People would do well to remember that we are ALL one illness or one accident away from disability, be careful what you wish for!

But why that bad? Like catastrophic ba

Since 2017 there has been a 2 child benefit cap in the UK.

There are certainly some people playing the system. A neighbour has two middle-aged sons. One has never officially worked. The other stopped working (officially) some years back.

There's no doubt that they both have addiction issues, but they're still doing bits of work for cash in hand on top of claiming their benefits and receiving free housing. Only one has children of his own, so he has a council flat big enough to accommodate them during 'his' time - though it's his mother who feeds and looks after them. The other received a prison sentence and had his council flat kept and paid for him, in spite of the housing crisis.

Their parents both worked, but the two sons don't seem to see a reason to work full time.

Why don't I report them? Cowardice, I guess. One of them got in a strop one time and kicked in his mother's front door. (He thought that she was refusing to answer the door. In actual fact, she was out for the day.)

I'm on my own now and I don't have the fortitude that I used to have. The mother keeps suggesting that I should pay her sons to do work for me... This, in spite of the fact that she doesn't trust them: she had a bank card stolen one time.

Some of the other neighbours do pay them to do work. I suspect I'd become a persona non grata if I reported it - one of the sons does several of the gardens in our street.

I don't want them around me. At one point a fence between our gardens needed replacing after high winds. The neighbour wanted us to pay her son to do the work. In the end, I said that I'd pay for the wood (which I did) and that the neighbour could pay for her son to do the labour if she so desired.

I said that I'd use my old camper van (now defunct) to take the old fence panel and post to the tip. I was told that the son would go to help me. (In fact, it turned out that the neighbour had a load of stuff she wanted rid of.) He sat up front with me and he was reeking of booze - at 10 am on a Saturday morning.

I admit to being a hypocrite - I just smile and nod as necessary. I just want to be left in peace. I fear what will happen when the neighbours die and the sons or grandchildren inherit her house.

No people want good services, not the crap that is the NHS, adult services, sen provision and the rest

whats actually needed is the one thing no government is prepared to do, namely a drains up exercise on the NhS and sort it once and for all The waste is horrendous, management needs culling, care trusts need merging, procurement needs sorting, new streamlined electronic systems need to be in place. Billions could be saved

but no one is prepared to put up with the unions challenging.

Benefits do need sorting, Foreign aid needs sorting, no civil servant salary should be higher than the prime ministers

There is a load of spending cuts that could take place

If disability benefit isn’t claimed then it could be argued that it isn’t needed.

It dates from Enclosure times.

Norway got their sovereign wealth fund from their oil and all we got was a refusal to even give us a lousy t-shirt.

But there are many who abuse the system.

I don’t disagree that we shouldn’t be looking at millionaire/billionaire corporations though.

If they are going to tax the average, ordinary worker more, then it’s time that we toughened up in other areas of our economy, such as those who abuse the welfare system and evade tax.

Living in Scotland I do find the uproar slightly bemusing.....nobody seemed outraged and thread after thread when SNP changed our tax levels to more then rUK.

If the rumours of 45k for higher tax are true then it will still be less then us and still lower then 42%!

Can't say our NHS is in any better shape (some areas are worse) and Wales get free prescriptions too. No additonal funding for nursery under 3s.

@Brmmmn

because it damaged trade particularly for small businesses.

It also hasn't fixed any structural economic problems which I think some voters believed it would, but maybe they did believe there would be loads of money for the NHS 🤷🏻‍♀️

Everyone fell for the lies.

I mean wouldn't the report be anonymous?

Don't get me started on Thatcher. She sold the family silver.

short term gain? long term pain

Everyone fell for the lies.

Some of us didn't

People were outraged on your behalf but not much we can do about it given Scotland's autonomy. I think you have had a raw deal on a few things.

I'm a business owner along with DH and both are tax payers. We're holding on by a thread paying NI, income tax, and VAT. If we go under, that's another 6 people on the dole queue. Any high rises are likely to push us under so I'm very worried about them.

I'd love to know how all those on here insisting that wages need to be more can advise how I can make my customers pay more.

Acceptance of state stepping in where men fail to support their families doesn’t help. You see it on here all the time. Some loser bails on his family and first advice “see what you are entitled to” 🙄. State has taken the role of the father.

There was even one woman bemoaning that if she gets into a new relationship she loses her benefits 🙄. Honestly I pay so much fucking tax I am sick of it. I accept it’s necessary but it’s got ridiculous now. Happy to pay in for good of society schools / hospitals / disabled in genuine need but we are practically communists handing over our hard earned cash so it’s equal for everyone. Where’s the motivation? Think I will give up for the day and lie on the sofa actually! (Self employed business owner)

Or it could be argued that because it is such a minefield to claim, especially if people are already struggling, have little support etc that some people simply can't claim who probably should.

So true.

I certainly didn’t - not to get on my high horse - just disappointed that the majority did!

Solidarity Lizzie!

No people want good services, not the crap that is the NHS, adult services, sen provision and the rest

This would require much higher taxes though?

I don't disagree that the NHS needs to be changed but that needs cross party consensus & would involve everyone paying more.

You just don't want to know facts, instead just carry on with your hatred of labour. Fine, but stop lying.

@PeonyPatch it's even more disappointing that those who fell for the lies think Reform will create utopia.

Being part of a huge trading community of close and similar allies who are all fed up of private individuals and corporations taking and never giving back, and who were talking about alliances and strategies to bring it back in, would have been a good start.

Who wanted to push Brexit again, (reasonably) honest working people or people living off money itself, remind me. And of how much they lied.