I don't want to pay more fucking tax!

[marthainthemarket]

I am the sole earner in a family of four, earning just under 40k a year and getting probably fuck all or below inflation pay increase next year, if I am lucky enough to keep my job ( public sector and employer needing to make massive budget savings). I barely cope now.

I am so fucking angry that Labour fucked up the disability benefit cuts. Other countries don't have run away disability benefits crises because they have a proper assessment process that means they keep a lid on people getting disability benefits who don't really need them. But instead of dealing with that, they came up with a crap proposed cut that wouldn't have dealt with the actual issues and they couldn't defend.

And having fucked that up they are now raising everyone's tax. I hate them!

We have to pay for the boat people somehow.

Oh I can’t stand him, he’s only leader of the Labour Party because he’s a back stabber anyway, so that’s never a good start is it? And he’s not a Labour politician in my eyes, he’s too much to the right for Labour. And he’s been complicit in the genocide in Gaza.

But the rot started with the deliberate decision by the Cameron Government to decimate our public services with austerity measures, when the crisis had been caused by the banks! Why did our services have to be punished for the incredibly stupid risks taken by big banks and finance markets? Then having run our public sector into the ground the bastard gave us Brexit! Off with his head!!

Why do you people hate the rich so much? They more than pay their way? You get offended by capitalism, entrepreneurship? Why? If you want better, go for it! The opportunities are there!

@HereAreYourOptions why not have more social housing like the past or do you think that was wrong then?

"In the 1960s, 1.24 million social homes were built compared to 150,000 in the 2010s. In 1969, we built more social rent homes than we have built in the last 13 years combined."

No - but the definition of disability is. It's the too broad definition that is increasing the cost and reducing the focus on those that actually really need it

No-one in their right mind wants to strip benefits from the blind, disabled etc. I don't - I believe in society and am happy to pay for others. I don't want to pay for those who shouldn't be receiving it!

And also wanting to scrap the 2 child benefit cap.. why to people want to be taxed more to pay for other people's bloody kids?? It's ludicrous

Look at birth rates, people aren't having dc like they did in the past!

So you would rather a vulnerable disabled person suffered instead?

I pay for my own children, I don't want to pay for other people's! Why is there no personal responsibility? It's just opening the doors for people to have more children that will be paid for yet again

So they don’t pay in via national insurance?

Talking to a friend of mine the other day.
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She said 'Ill never work more than 3 days a weeks and loose my benefits. I like having the me time"

I work 6 days a week so she can work 3 essentially. I didn't agree to that.

I pay for my own children, I don't want to pay for other people's! Why is there no personal responsibility? It's just opening the doors for people to have more children that will be paid for yet again

No it won't.@winterbluess Name one country that has increased birth rates once they are below replacement rate? And plenty of countries have tried financial incentives.

I feel like there has never been such an unpopular government in my living memory and that included the Thatcher years! Honest to god this lot need to get the fuck out of office as soon as possible.

Totally agree. It's not us punishing children - it's the parents having children they can't afford.

I have 2 children because I can afford 2 children. Why would it be someone else's fault if I decided to have 6 children but could only afford 2?

Ah. Another disability bashing thread. We haven't had one for 5 whole minutes.

Tax raises are not the fault of the disabled.

I've always wondered what would happen if I took out a car loan and just presented the payment schedule to the government!

Exactly this. I do not mind paying for the genuinely sick but anything else? Welfare benefits were meant for the short term if someone lost their job and while they found another. Now it is often a lifestyle choice. However, some wages are low and people cannot live off them alone, requiring top up benefits. Let’s make wages pay!

@belovedandpureones

Link to something that says NI is just for your state pension when you get older?

Link to something that says the majority of today's pensioners worked for 50 years?

Link to something that says the majority of today's pensioners earned enough for those 50 years that they paid enough for years of state pension and healthcare.

They haven't.

Would you care to expand on that carefully considered theorem?

Are these people you personally know?

Yes, but the genuinely needy should not have to pay the price for that.

No one wants to pay more tax.
The wealthy have the means to avoid it, the rest of us have to suck it up & watch the super rich get ever richer.

Let’s make wages pay!

@belovedandpureones how will you make companies pay higher wages and how do you think that will inpact what you pay for goods & services?

To use a very old expression. they couldn't find their own arseholes with 2 hands, a map and a torch

I don’t have to provide links to entitled people such as yourself. I know what’s what and that’s good enough for me! Also don’t misquote me - I said NI contributions go towards pension. You sound very unpleasant. I would absolutely pay for pensioners in their older years when they have contributed throughout their lifetime. That’s what a good civilised society does.

If you're making the point that labour has been subsidised in one way or other for a long time, then of course I'd agree.

Social housing though is probably the lease egregious (and cheapest) way of doing so, so I would certainly prefer it over the alternatives, not least because it provides a much more stable foundation for people and so leaves them less at the mercy of their employers.

I'd still prefer that companies pay a wage that covers all of the costs of living though.