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Can someone explain to me why/how the Labour government has directly made them worse off in the last 15 months?

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MotherofAdults · 04/11/2025 09:05

Can someone explain to me why/how the Labour government has directly made them worse off in the last 15 months? I see this claim a lot on these pages, but I don't understand why. Sorry if I sound stupid, I am just trying to get clear.

I totally understand that the cost of living keeps going up - that inflation keeps rising (3.5-3.8%?) and that mortgage interest remains relatively high, but I don't understand why or how this is the fault of the current government? What have/haven't they done? Are people angry that they haven't curbed inflation? What should they be doing?

If we could avoid mentioning the things that didn't actually happen (eg the Winter Fuel Allowence cuts) and speculation about what the next budget will do (doubling of council tax, rise in minimum wage etc), that would be really helpful. I am looking for actual changes made by this that have directly affected your financial situation since Labour got it.

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RoostingHens · 04/11/2025 16:21

Evidence for this is consumer spending is up, inc on the High street.

Consumer spending was down last quarter.

Upstartled · 04/11/2025 16:23

cottonwoolie · 04/11/2025 16:12

Do people really think the minimum wage is too high?

It's £10 if you are 18-20

Allowing for inflation it's the equivalent to £5 in the early 00s.

And what does that wage get you? No wonder so many young people are disenfranchised...

It's too high if it is fuelling unemployment for that demographic. Worklessness is absolutely demoralising for everyone but especially for youngsters looking to start in the world of work. Nothing is as disenfranchising as unemployment.

nomas · 04/11/2025 16:24

MotherofAdults · 04/11/2025 16:04

Sorry if I wasn't clearer, I meant changes made under this government that made you worse off. They may not have addressed the WASPI pensions, but those women were made worse off under the previous government.

WFA though was stopped as a universal benefit last year yes, and is now means tested and only for those with a taxable income under £35k, so if you are over £35k and you used to claim it yes you may well be worse off. Not sure anyone has yet identified that as an issue for them on this thread, though I may have missed it?

I find it weird that that poster is saying that it is not up for debate that the current government is directly responsible for WASPI women losing money.

Directly responsible would be the government who made the change.

Also, not sure what giving every WASPI woman ~£1,000 would achieve anyway. It's not going to make a meaningful pension replacement.

I started working at 15 and will be retiring at 68 (hopefully) and won't be getting WFA etc.

Interested in this thread?

Then you might like threads about these subjects:

PeninsulaOfDoom · 04/11/2025 16:24

margegunderson · 04/11/2025 16:05

Agree

Just to be clear. You think that we’re not worse off, it’s just right wing agitators saying that we are? How does all the data on cost of living, increased unemployment and purchasing power, high yield on Gilts and Rachel’s numerous speech’s on how worse off we are with various black holes of increasing sizes fit into that narrative?

placemats · 04/11/2025 16:25

RoostingHens · 04/11/2025 16:21

Evidence for this is consumer spending is up, inc on the High street.

Consumer spending was down last quarter.

Obviously it'll be up IF Reform get into power in four years time. Delusional.

PeninsulaOfDoom · 04/11/2025 16:27

placemats · 04/11/2025 16:25

Obviously it'll be up IF Reform get into power in four years time. Delusional.

3 years and 10 months at the most, not that I’m counting down the days or anything

placemats · 04/11/2025 16:28

I will be getting WFA but it just about covers two months worth of energy - mostly on the service fees - which should be lowered to make a visible difference to heating and eating.

RoostingHens · 04/11/2025 16:28

placemats · 04/11/2025 16:25

Obviously it'll be up IF Reform get into power in four years time. Delusional.

What a weird reply.

placemats · 04/11/2025 16:29

PeninsulaOfDoom · 04/11/2025 16:27

3 years and 10 months at the most, not that I’m counting down the days or anything

Bless. Enjoy your life in the meantime. Order some vitamin pills and have a walk at the weekends.

placemats · 04/11/2025 16:31

RoostingHens · 04/11/2025 16:28

What a weird reply.

Care to explain why? Will Reform bring reform to the high street and consumer spending?

Armsandlegsrecruitment · 04/11/2025 16:35

Araminta1003 · 04/11/2025 16:00

“What's your point, exactly? That people have other options? So what? Lots of us have other options.”

@MrsBennetsPoorNervesAreBack - I do not think my friends with kids in private schools are adverse to taxation in general, far from it. Just adverse to a spiteful ideologically motivated tax on their children half way through a school year, that would never ever be imposed in their other heritage countries. It is a tax that stinks to the roof and makes you lose faith in the political system you find yourself in. That was my point. That and Brexit is the type of thing that makes people assess their other options.

Labour's MO seems to be jealousy taxes to hide their incompetence.

Q2C4 · 04/11/2025 16:37

MotherofAdults · 04/11/2025 09:21

Can someone explain "tax thresholds"? Do you mean 20% lower 40% higher on income tax?

Also if they were set by previous gov, what should current government have done/do?

Index linked them.

cottonwoolie · 04/11/2025 16:38

It's too high if it is fuelling unemployment for that demographic.

Is it fuelling unemployment for that age @Upstartled? What should it be then? How little do young people need to earn?

Nothing is as disenfranchising as unemployment.

Says who? I would argue working for a low wage and spending a large proportion of it on housing costs is particularly motivating.

cottonwoolie · 04/11/2025 16:40

that would never ever be imposed in their other heritage countries.

But plenty of other taxes exist in those countries that we don't have here...you can't compare bits of the tax system.

RoostingHens · 04/11/2025 16:40

placemats · 04/11/2025 16:31

Care to explain why? Will Reform bring reform to the high street and consumer spending?

Weird that your response to another drop in consumer spending under the current Labour government that must be addressed now is to say I am delusional about hypothetical policies resulting hypothetical spending under a hypothetical government in four years time.

DaphneduM · 04/11/2025 16:42

OneMintWasp · 04/11/2025 11:40

For me the government, which just happens to be Labour on this occassion, have outlined sweeping NHS reform and closure of services without a full understanding of what those services actually do, who will do the work when they go and what will happen with those staff. I work in a service which provides essential front line services to patients who are chronically ill.

I was told I would be made redundant, then the treasury admitted they wont actually fund that level of redundancy. I was then told I would be redeployed but no one can yet confirm what my role will look like. Just had first redeployment meeting to be told when we move into the new service we will immediately go 'at risk' for redundancy as that service has to cut spending by 40% with no guidelines how.

The government is saying redundancy with one hand but then refusing to pay for it with the other. What do I do. Jump ship, lose my continuing service, end my pension scheme, leave a specialised job I am skilled and experienced at when there is nothing else available at all, leave only to find colleagues get redundancy pay out a few months later. It's stressful and anxiety inducing. My income and career are insecure. I don't sleep and I have started anxiety medication.

I'm so very sorry to hear this. Unfortunately this has been the case in both the NHS and also local government for many years. We had many sleepless nights about a decade ago when the service for disabled people ran by my husband was arbitrarily closed by the then Tory local authority. Both the clients and staff are always the losers here. The flagrant wastage of money on consultants on 'change management' is a scandal. Somerset County Council have never learned their lesson, they're still at it - reorganisation after reorganisation - deckchairs on the Titanic. Very depressing wasting all that money which should be going to frontline services. I hope you get clarity soon.

EasternStandard · 04/11/2025 16:42

Armsandlegsrecruitment · 04/11/2025 16:35

Labour's MO seems to be jealousy taxes to hide their incompetence.

They work though for some. Not many granted but still some backers.

Upstartled · 04/11/2025 16:48

cottonwoolie · 04/11/2025 16:38

It's too high if it is fuelling unemployment for that demographic.

Is it fuelling unemployment for that age @Upstartled? What should it be then? How little do young people need to earn?

Nothing is as disenfranchising as unemployment.

Says who? I would argue working for a low wage and spending a large proportion of it on housing costs is particularly motivating.

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  2. subsisting entirely on the state as a healthy young adult is completely demoralising.

Calliopespa · 04/11/2025 16:48

RoostingHens · 04/11/2025 09:30

‘How has Labour made you worse off? Except for you, you don’t count…’

I don’t pay private school fees but those who do have been made worse off by VAT.

‘How has Labour made you worse off? Except for you, you don’t count…’

😂

Julen7 · 04/11/2025 16:51

PeninsulaOfDoom · 04/11/2025 16:27

3 years and 10 months at the most, not that I’m counting down the days or anything

I am.

BlindSpotForCats · 04/11/2025 16:54

Calliopespa · 04/11/2025 16:48

‘How has Labour made you worse off? Except for you, you don’t count…’

😂

Exactly. 'I don't want to hear about VAT on fees'.

So why ask for actual real life facts about how people have been affected?

cottonwoolie · 04/11/2025 16:57

@Upstartled but the Resolution Foundation haven't said the minimum wage should be lower? they have just said it should the increases should be lower since 2016 & to look at the changes to NI for those workers.

Calliopespa · 04/11/2025 16:59

BlindSpotForCats · 04/11/2025 16:54

Exactly. 'I don't want to hear about VAT on fees'.

So why ask for actual real life facts about how people have been affected?

Only the unaffected need apply.

godmum56 · 04/11/2025 16:59

nomas · 04/11/2025 15:31

If the government says they warned WASPI women they weren't getting a pension at 60, why would they pay restitution?

oh well if the government said it it MUST be true.

Upstartled · 04/11/2025 16:59

cottonwoolie · 04/11/2025 16:57

@Upstartled but the Resolution Foundation haven't said the minimum wage should be lower? they have just said it should the increases should be lower since 2016 & to look at the changes to NI for those workers.

It demonstrates the link between wage rises and unemployment that you asked for, I'm not advocating for the resolution foundation.

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