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Can someone explain to me why/how the Labour government has directly made them worse off in the last 15 months?

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MotherofAdults · 04/11/2025 09:05

Can someone explain to me why/how the Labour government has directly made them worse off in the last 15 months? I see this claim a lot on these pages, but I don't understand why. Sorry if I sound stupid, I am just trying to get clear.

I totally understand that the cost of living keeps going up - that inflation keeps rising (3.5-3.8%?) and that mortgage interest remains relatively high, but I don't understand why or how this is the fault of the current government? What have/haven't they done? Are people angry that they haven't curbed inflation? What should they be doing?

If we could avoid mentioning the things that didn't actually happen (eg the Winter Fuel Allowence cuts) and speculation about what the next budget will do (doubling of council tax, rise in minimum wage etc), that would be really helpful. I am looking for actual changes made by this that have directly affected your financial situation since Labour got it.

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Fearfulsaints · 04/11/2025 15:32

Onmytod24 · 04/11/2025 14:38

You are ridiculous. You’re trying to discount my comments. My comment stands. The only private schools that closed had dwindling students and a poor education.

Lots of schools took mitigating measures to prevent closure. This means real people with mortgages like me lost thier jobs or had thier hours cut or pay freezers or pension options worsened.

School closure isnt the only measure of impact.

The measures were in quick succession after a period of inflation (high interest and fuels costs for schools) many would have been fine with these measures introduced one at a time, or after a period of stability. Its incorrect to say they were all about to close immediately anyway. You just need time to adjust your cost base to a smaller role (again redundancy but also renegotiating loans contracts etc)

Upstartled · 04/11/2025 15:34

nomas · 04/11/2025 15:31

If the government says they warned WASPI women they weren't getting a pension at 60, why would they pay restitution?

No idea.

Can someone explain to me why/how the Labour government has directly made them worse off in the last 15 months?
nomas · 04/11/2025 15:37

Upstartled · 04/11/2025 15:34

No idea.

She wasn't part of the government then.

It's like Kemi Badenoch promising to abolish stamp duty on main homes, not gonna happen.

Interested in this thread?

Then you might like threads about these subjects:

cottonwoolie · 04/11/2025 15:39

The winter fuel allowance is now means tested, so I don't get it.

At a household income of 70k ish...

Upstartled · 04/11/2025 15:39

So, this was acceptable lying?

placemats · 04/11/2025 15:40

Hiring on Facebook. New local business. Wage above the national minimum because they want to keep valued staff.

ifIwerenotanandroid · 04/11/2025 15:44

nomas · 04/11/2025 15:31

If the government says they warned WASPI women they weren't getting a pension at 60, why would they pay restitution?

There's no need to debate this, as I said. The OP asked who'd lost money as a direct result of this government's actions, & WASPI women did. Job done on this thread.

nomas · 04/11/2025 15:45

Upstartled · 04/11/2025 15:39

So, this was acceptable lying?

Not acceptable, just pointing out that what people say when they're not in government is often different to what they do when they're in government.

placemats · 04/11/2025 15:46

I don't understand why those who haven't got a secure, high paying income would send their children to private schools. The fees are circa £20,000 a year, possible discount for two, for a bog standard school. Private schools in Europe are way cheaper

The days of scripping and scrapping to send a child to be privately educated are long gone.

nomas · 04/11/2025 15:47

ifIwerenotanandroid · 04/11/2025 15:44

There's no need to debate this, as I said. The OP asked who'd lost money as a direct result of this government's actions, & WASPI women did. Job done on this thread.

Why this government specifically? Haven't successive governments denied restitution?

And you can't lose what you technically didn't have.

placemats · 04/11/2025 15:48

The change for WASPI women was made by a Conservative government.

placemats · 04/11/2025 15:49

And I got the letter.

BeserkingTuesday · 04/11/2025 15:50

I personally think that we have too many taxes, that are too easily avoided, and fall unfairly on those who work for a living.
A Financial Transaction Tax for everybody would be possible and would tax crime. This if operated universally could reduce everybodys' tax rate to as little as 0.4%.
Just imagine if Amazon, et al, paid some tax in this country!

MotherofAdults · 04/11/2025 15:50

Zebedee999 · 04/11/2025 14:44

There are 25% more unemployed now than when Labour took power. Unemployment always increases under Labour as they need to keep people impoverished to maintain their voter base.
Unemployment will continue to increase as Reeves takes more money out of the economy, energy costs remain the highest in the developed world to fund Milliband's vanity projects, increase business taxes.
Add to this all the corruption (Starmer's free stuff, Raynor/Reeves housing fiddles, etc) and broken promises (smash the gangs lol, WASPI women, WFA, etc)) and it is plain to see it has been a complete s__ show.
To be fair things were bad when they took over but Labour are making things far worse.

Hi, I was trying to verify this 25% figure but I am not sure about it - do you have a reference? According to the ONS in July 2024 unemployment was at 4.1% and in August 2025 it's at 4.8%. That is a 0.7 percentage points, or a 17% (I think) rise in total.

Your point stands that this is the highest level since Covid, and seems to be rising though, but I am not sure about your reasoning.

fullfact.org/economy/employment-jobs-explainer/#:~:text=What%20do%20the%20figures%20show,Mulish

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Upstartled · 04/11/2025 15:52

placemats · 04/11/2025 15:48

The change for WASPI women was made by a Conservative government.

Absolutely. It was easy pickings for Labour to pretend that things could be different and that they supported WASPI women.

EasternStandard · 04/11/2025 15:55

nomas · 04/11/2025 15:45

Not acceptable, just pointing out that what people say when they're not in government is often different to what they do when they're in government.

But they did say the last budget was a one off tax hike, so whilst in government.

Araminta1003 · 04/11/2025 16:00

“What's your point, exactly? That people have other options? So what? Lots of us have other options.”

@MrsBennetsPoorNervesAreBack - I do not think my friends with kids in private schools are adverse to taxation in general, far from it. Just adverse to a spiteful ideologically motivated tax on their children half way through a school year, that would never ever be imposed in their other heritage countries. It is a tax that stinks to the roof and makes you lose faith in the political system you find yourself in. That was my point. That and Brexit is the type of thing that makes people assess their other options.

BumpyWinds · 04/11/2025 16:02

To add to my previous comments, we have had the need for additional workers in our business but due to the costs now associated with employment, we've done what I have never wanted to do - we've outsourced offshore. We've been struggling to compete with our local competitors because they all did it years ago, but as time is getting tougher, we've had to join them.

For the cost of one semi-senior employee here, we can get two more senior people overseas, without the worry of HR issues. Sure they come with other challenges, but as they also run their own business, they're currently more willing to impress and work harder that some of the employees we've had in recent years!

It might actually mean that I eventually end up better off personally, but it's not exactly doing much to support the British economy as a whole!

MotherofAdults · 04/11/2025 16:04

ifIwerenotanandroid · 04/11/2025 15:44

There's no need to debate this, as I said. The OP asked who'd lost money as a direct result of this government's actions, & WASPI women did. Job done on this thread.

Sorry if I wasn't clearer, I meant changes made under this government that made you worse off. They may not have addressed the WASPI pensions, but those women were made worse off under the previous government.

WFA though was stopped as a universal benefit last year yes, and is now means tested and only for those with a taxable income under £35k, so if you are over £35k and you used to claim it yes you may well be worse off. Not sure anyone has yet identified that as an issue for them on this thread, though I may have missed it?

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BloominNora · 04/11/2025 16:05

MotherofAdults · 04/11/2025 15:50

Hi, I was trying to verify this 25% figure but I am not sure about it - do you have a reference? According to the ONS in July 2024 unemployment was at 4.1% and in August 2025 it's at 4.8%. That is a 0.7 percentage points, or a 17% (I think) rise in total.

Your point stands that this is the highest level since Covid, and seems to be rising though, but I am not sure about your reasoning.

fullfact.org/economy/employment-jobs-explainer/#:~:text=What%20do%20the%20figures%20show,Mulish

The context here is really important though. Later in that link it says:

However, the number of people in employment has also increased—by more than half a million (632,000) between June 2024 and July 2025, while the rate of employment has seen a 0.4 percentage point increase.
So, this data suggests that the number of both employed and unemployed people has increased under Labour, and that the rate of both employment and unemployment has increased too.

This means that 79.9% of the population are working or available for work, compared with 78.9% in 2024. It means fewer people are economically inactive. There are 257,000 more unemployed people but there are also 632,000 more people in employment which means 889,000 more people are economically active.

Would be interesting to know why

Employment rate (aged 16 to 64, seasonally adjusted): % - Office for National Statistics

https://www.ons.gov.uk/employmentandlabourmarket/peopleinwork/employmentandemployeetypes/timeseries/lf24/lms

margegunderson · 04/11/2025 16:05

BigGirlBoxers · 04/11/2025 09:27

I don't think the Labour govt has made us worse off at all. I think that there are just lots and lots of right-wing agitators starting threads that parody the govt and its policies. Plenty of them believe what they are saying, because they are just second- or third-tier agitators who have been stirred to action by the misinformation and talking-points seeded into social media by the first-tier agitators.

But don't make the mistake of thinking that politics threads on MN are the kind of authentic, organic discussions that they used to be a decade ago. They are profoundly skewed, just a performance of tribalism, fevered parodies of discussion.

I think for sure that Labour has failed to take actions to tackle the emergencies in UK politics; but it is laughable to see the crude and fanciful insults thrown out about them in MN. These will be supercharged as soon as details of the budget come out. Don't fall for it.

Agree

MotherofAdults · 04/11/2025 16:06

@BloominNora - thank you for that, I was struggling with all the caveats and the maths!

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BlindSpotForCats · 04/11/2025 16:07

I'm not adverse to taxation at all

When i first migrated here and got my first job I was so excited to pay tax and be a functioning member of my adopted homeland that i got DH to take a photo of me with my payslip.

It's everything else that is piled on to the 'broadest shoulders' which actually means 'the ones we can get away with the most because they can't argue as much and they don't vote for us anyway'.

As others have said- 10% pay 60% of the nation's tax. It's unsustainable. And when you couple that with being told you are a rich fucker, scum and an arsehole for [insert reason] ... well then. I, for one, am looking forward to walking away.

jasflowers · 04/11/2025 16:11

Two friends, both in trades, are doing very well, last winter was quiet for both but going forward, they have full order books.

My partner works for a military contractor, just had an across the board 6% pay rise, business is booming and hiring externally.

Fuel duty the same, all individual taxes are the same, VAT too, wage rises are higher than inflation

There seems to be a full frontal attack to make out Labour have made us all far poorer, its simply not true.

Evidence for this is consumer spending is up, inc on the High street.

cottonwoolie · 04/11/2025 16:12

Do people really think the minimum wage is too high?

It's £10 if you are 18-20

Allowing for inflation it's the equivalent to £5 in the early 00s.

And what does that wage get you? No wonder so many young people are disenfranchised...