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Why so much hostility toward reasonable adjustments for autistic/ADHD students/workers?

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KeenTaupeDog · 03/11/2025 10:32

I keep seeing backlash whenever someone with autism/ADHD asks for reasonable adjustments. Things like:
• being accused of cheating or getting “special treatment”
• people assuming you're lying or gaming the system
• resentment for accommodations that simply level the playing field

Why do so many people react this way?
Is it ignorance about what these conditions actually mean?
Envy?
Fear that fairness is “zero-sum”?
Or something deeper around stigma toward invisible disabilities?

Would be interested in honest perspectives — especially from those who’ve witnessed or experienced this dynamic.

If you dont think adhders etc. should be employed if they cant stay in work due to their adhd, then are you happy with them sitting at home and claiming benefits? Or dying of hunger?

Not looking to fight — just trying to understand where this reaction comes from.
Am a apsergers sufferer and people at uni accused me of cheating when they found out i had remote exams

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OooPourUsACupLove · 06/11/2025 08:28

LameBorzoi · 06/11/2025 08:05

Imagine a man telling a woman that the sexual harassment that she was experiencing was "just a joke".
Imagine a white person telling a POC that the racism that they experienced wasn't an issue.
Imagine telling the person with continence issues that they "just need to hold it".
NT people cannot see the unnecessary barriers to ND people, because they are not ND.

And some ND people don't see how their behaviour causes problems for others or fail to.appreciate the challenges others have, bevause the nature of their disability causes some ND people to over index on their own point of view.

Ironically, it's actually that rather than needing headphones or whatever (which BTW anyone can wear where I work) that has caused the most career difficulties for my ND friends and colleagues.

InSlovakiaTheCapitalOfCourseIsBratislava · 06/11/2025 08:34

ND and NT people can be creative, generous, accepting of difference , focussed, productive , kind and caring colleagues

ND and NT people can also be spiteful, inconsiderate, inflexible, unaccomodating, shirking pains in the backside

personality not neurotype

neither ND nor NT have the monopoly o. Vice or virtue, and all the reasonable adjustments in the world can’t change that

Shutuptrevor · 06/11/2025 08:35

I think too many people are jumping on it as a way to avoid doing parts of their job they would rather not do, or find difficult.

It unfairly puts pressure on everyone else, and also muddies the waters for those who genuinely can’t do a thing.

LameBorzoi · 06/11/2025 08:45

OooPourUsACupLove · 06/11/2025 08:28

And some ND people don't see how their behaviour causes problems for others or fail to.appreciate the challenges others have, bevause the nature of their disability causes some ND people to over index on their own point of view.

Ironically, it's actually that rather than needing headphones or whatever (which BTW anyone can wear where I work) that has caused the most career difficulties for my ND friends and colleagues.

Now you are just sealioning. I'm done.

OooPourUsACupLove · 06/11/2025 09:02

LameBorzoi · 06/11/2025 08:45

Now you are just sealioning. I'm done.

You literally replied to me about 4 times in a row to misrepresent me and to make universal sweeping statements that contradict my own experiences.

But I'm sealioning when I reply to you? Right.

If you just want to make pronouncements without being challenged, maybe a blog is a better platform for you than a discussion forum?

Marshmallow4545 · 06/11/2025 09:14

LameBorzoi · 06/11/2025 08:05

Imagine a man telling a woman that the sexual harassment that she was experiencing was "just a joke".
Imagine a white person telling a POC that the racism that they experienced wasn't an issue.
Imagine telling the person with continence issues that they "just need to hold it".
NT people cannot see the unnecessary barriers to ND people, because they are not ND.

That is absolutely not comparable to what has happened here for so many reasons.

Firstly and most importantly, nobody is suggesting that you are exaggerating or lying about your own experience. It is not equivalent to suggesting sexual harassment as just a joke. That is seriously inflammatory to even begin to make that comparison

Secondly, it is not at all accurate to compare being ND to being a POC or female. Virtually all of us will have ND traits and nobody is truly NT in the sense you imply. I previously posted a study that proved that some people that would be classified as NT experience some ND traits more acutely than those with an official ND diagnosis. There isn't this kind of nuance with sex and race. The reality is that lots of so called NT people will absolutely understand some of the particular challenges that a person with an ND diagnosis experience because they took experience them in a similar way. Again, this can't be emphasised enough, the binary model of ND/NT is fictitious and very damaging.

It is also obviously also clearly a nonsense to suggest that people with an ND diagnosis experience homogenous challenges in the way you suggest. Someone with a dyslexia or dyspraxia diagnosis will not necessarily have a lot in common with someone with a Tourettes diagnosis. Sometimes people with ADHD have almost the opposite challenges to someone with ASD. Social communication skills are not a hallmark of some ND conditions in the same way they are with others. It is totally possible that someone who fits within the current ND umbrella has far less in common with your particular challenges than someone that is currently deemed to be NT.

Macaroni46 · 06/11/2025 13:12

OooPourUsACupLove · 06/11/2025 08:28

And some ND people don't see how their behaviour causes problems for others or fail to.appreciate the challenges others have, bevause the nature of their disability causes some ND people to over index on their own point of view.

Ironically, it's actually that rather than needing headphones or whatever (which BTW anyone can wear where I work) that has caused the most career difficulties for my ND friends and colleagues.

This! I work with lots of ND people, most of whom are lovely (just like most NT people are lovely) but sometimes their inability to see how things are for others can be tricky.

miniaturepixieonacid · 06/11/2025 22:49

I don't understand adults being jealous of an RA. Surely by adulthood, people can reason that yes, it would be brilliant to be allowed to leave 2 hours early but it wouldn't be brilliant to be autistic. Or that they'd love to be able to get the front row seats at a concert/match but that they wouldn't love being a wheelchair user. The adjustment doesn't 'make up for' having the disability.

Other people's existing jobs being adversely affected because of another person's RA is totally different and resentment of that is fair enough. It shouldn't be directed at the disabled person of course but you can't always direct it at management either as what are they supposed to do once the money runs out?

HeBeaverandSheBeaver · 06/11/2025 22:59

@Macaroni46
And other bullshit statements

This proves you have
No understanding at all.

miniaturepixieonacid · 06/11/2025 23:03

This thread has been completely eye opening for me though. I've literally never heard of BAP and it explains so much to me.

I teach Performing Arts where many ND children excel but also have a low abilty English class of 15 children - in my mind 11 of those 15 are ND which is obviously not possible (only 5 have a diagnosis). But the existence of BAP makes so much sense.

I am NT but am:
very socially anxious and socially awkward
avoid large groups of people and small talk because I can't work out how to get myself into or out of conversations
replay and over analyse conversations for days afterwards
have telephone and Teams call anxiety because I can't pick up on the tone without seeing 3D faces and can't tell when someone has finished speaking and when I can interject.
can't socialise in unstructured situations (eg show rehearsal - fine. Go out for dinner afterwards - absolutely not. party with games or an activity - yes. party where people stand in groups and chat/dance - not a chance.
have a lifetime of eating disorders and can't stand about 80% of foods (even though I've never tried 50% of those, I 'just know')
hate mess but really struggle to keep things tidy and organised. same with lateness.
have a reputation for being organised but am actually in a whirl of chaos and last minute-ness the whole time.
go completely nocturnal or insomniac-al (if that's a word) without the structure of work.
have a very obsessive, addictive, all or nothing approach to pretty much everything. If something's not perfect it's all ruined and I want to give up/start again.
I know I'm not ND ... but BAP ... hmmm! So intrigued now.

TheCorrsDidDreamsBetter · 06/11/2025 23:06

miniaturepixieonacid · 06/11/2025 23:03

This thread has been completely eye opening for me though. I've literally never heard of BAP and it explains so much to me.

I teach Performing Arts where many ND children excel but also have a low abilty English class of 15 children - in my mind 11 of those 15 are ND which is obviously not possible (only 5 have a diagnosis). But the existence of BAP makes so much sense.

I am NT but am:
very socially anxious and socially awkward
avoid large groups of people and small talk because I can't work out how to get myself into or out of conversations
replay and over analyse conversations for days afterwards
have telephone and Teams call anxiety because I can't pick up on the tone without seeing 3D faces and can't tell when someone has finished speaking and when I can interject.
can't socialise in unstructured situations (eg show rehearsal - fine. Go out for dinner afterwards - absolutely not. party with games or an activity - yes. party where people stand in groups and chat/dance - not a chance.
have a lifetime of eating disorders and can't stand about 80% of foods (even though I've never tried 50% of those, I 'just know')
hate mess but really struggle to keep things tidy and organised. same with lateness.
have a reputation for being organised but am actually in a whirl of chaos and last minute-ness the whole time.
go completely nocturnal or insomniac-al (if that's a word) without the structure of work.
have a very obsessive, addictive, all or nothing approach to pretty much everything. If something's not perfect it's all ruined and I want to give up/start again.
I know I'm not ND ... but BAP ... hmmm! So intrigued now.

Have you been assessed?

miniaturepixieonacid · 06/11/2025 23:13

TheCorrsDidDreamsBetter · 06/11/2025 23:06

Have you been assessed?

No. But I'd be very surprised if I was ND. I just ... don't feel like I am, if that makes sense? I know a lot of ND adults and, although of course they're all different people, they all seem to share a common way of coming across that is different to me.

I do have very poor mental health, that I accept!

ETA - also, you have to have significant impairments in several areas of life both as a child and as an adult for an ND diagnosis (I believe) and I don't. Aside from mental health conditions, which can affect anyone, I function normally on the outside. And certainly had no issues in childhood.

TheCorrsDidDreamsBetter · 06/11/2025 23:46

miniaturepixieonacid · 06/11/2025 23:13

No. But I'd be very surprised if I was ND. I just ... don't feel like I am, if that makes sense? I know a lot of ND adults and, although of course they're all different people, they all seem to share a common way of coming across that is different to me.

I do have very poor mental health, that I accept!

ETA - also, you have to have significant impairments in several areas of life both as a child and as an adult for an ND diagnosis (I believe) and I don't. Aside from mental health conditions, which can affect anyone, I function normally on the outside. And certainly had no issues in childhood.

Edited

Well, I would strongly recommend starting with the AQ50, and seeking an assessment.

You said you know you're not ND, but I mean, you can't know that if you also tick off a lot of boxes that meet the criteria for autism and/or ADHD in one post.

BAP isn't a diagnosis. It's a clinical descriptive term used to explain when certain characteristics and traits may overlap with the diagnostic criteria.

It's not something you can be diagnosed with, it's just a research and clinical term.

If you were to go for an assessment the outcomes would likely be: Diagnosis of autism spectrum disorder, not enough information at present but share clinical traits (usually used when there's not enough evidence through the history gathering section of the appointment or where they're unsure as to whether there could be another underlying cause like early childhood illness that could impact development), or no diagnosis of autism spectrum disorder. Sometimes other diagnoses are made either on top of an autism diagnosis, or instead of an autism diagnosis like cPTSD.

I've never met another autistic person like me, despite living in a house full of autistic people. I also don't feel autistic. I don't wake up on a morning and feel like I am more autistic one day than I was the last. The same way I don't wake up on a morning and feel like a woman. I just am autistic. It took almost 30 years to get a diagnosis, because I didn't realise that the reason I'd accrued 40k of debt was because I was extremely gullible and being financially abused, can't understand peoples intentions, or that I didn't have many friends because I struggle to show interests in what other people are doing, and lack emotional reciprocity, or I didn't realise there was a reason I was paralysed when being asked to switch tasks.

One of these being that while working in a contact centre, and my job being switched from a webchat based role, to a call centre based role due to a company restructure, swapping from talking to writing up notes and back to talking was due to delayed processing and executive dysfunction. Or struggling with the instant expectation to conjure up words when conversations deviated from a script I'd created in my head. - One of the RA I was recommended by OH was that my employer could use some software that writes my notes for me, which would have been an immense help, though wouldn't have helped me with the mutism from script deviations, in a job I didn't actually sign up for, it was foisted on me by a business change. Also caused a lot of uproar from colleagues I thought of as friends because they also wanted access to that technology if it was available to me.

I just thought I was a very naive, anxious person, with personality flaws that I could work through with therapy, and that it's normal to feel so anxious you wet yourself a bit on public transport, and I thought everybody felt the same as I did and was just much better at hiding it.

When I'm not in those situations, I don't even feel disabled. But the truth is I am disabled, I am just extremely well socially supported and structures have been built around me in my personal life to prop me up and reduce the chances of me encountering disabling scenarios. You're probably not like me at all, but I'm probably also not like the people you mentioned in your post either, because no 2 autistic people will have the exact same struggles. The thing we will have in common is that our struggles will meet the threshhold for the triad of impairments, will have, in some capacity even if mild, been present since childhood, and there will be no other clinical explanation for the traits present.

So I would recommend you seek an assessment, because the things you've mentioned in your earlier post could indicate you meet the triad of impairments, but that would depend on if there's a clinical reason behind your preferences or not.

TheCorrsDidDreamsBetter · 06/11/2025 23:52

miniaturepixieonacid · 06/11/2025 23:13

No. But I'd be very surprised if I was ND. I just ... don't feel like I am, if that makes sense? I know a lot of ND adults and, although of course they're all different people, they all seem to share a common way of coming across that is different to me.

I do have very poor mental health, that I accept!

ETA - also, you have to have significant impairments in several areas of life both as a child and as an adult for an ND diagnosis (I believe) and I don't. Aside from mental health conditions, which can affect anyone, I function normally on the outside. And certainly had no issues in childhood.

Edited

To add, the average age for diagnoses especially for women is somewhere in the 30's. That's the average. There are women being diagnosed upwards of 50, because they themselves don't assess themselves to have had any significant challenges as children or younger, but upon assessment they actually have.

Things like friendships, how you played, how you interacted with others when playing, how you socialised outside of school, and they're very good at spotting examples of masking that you yourself might not pick up on.

That said, equally, autistic traits are just normal human behaviours. That's why the threshhold for diagnosis is so high. It's easy to see why there's the line trotted about "everybody is a little bit autistic", when really it should be that everybody is human, and if the characteristics observed haven't ever, or haven't ever had the potential to significantly disable without recognised or unrecognised support, then the chances are, those people are just not autistic.

LameBorzoi · 07/11/2025 00:11

Marshmallow4545 · 06/11/2025 09:14

That is absolutely not comparable to what has happened here for so many reasons.

Firstly and most importantly, nobody is suggesting that you are exaggerating or lying about your own experience. It is not equivalent to suggesting sexual harassment as just a joke. That is seriously inflammatory to even begin to make that comparison

Secondly, it is not at all accurate to compare being ND to being a POC or female. Virtually all of us will have ND traits and nobody is truly NT in the sense you imply. I previously posted a study that proved that some people that would be classified as NT experience some ND traits more acutely than those with an official ND diagnosis. There isn't this kind of nuance with sex and race. The reality is that lots of so called NT people will absolutely understand some of the particular challenges that a person with an ND diagnosis experience because they took experience them in a similar way. Again, this can't be emphasised enough, the binary model of ND/NT is fictitious and very damaging.

It is also obviously also clearly a nonsense to suggest that people with an ND diagnosis experience homogenous challenges in the way you suggest. Someone with a dyslexia or dyspraxia diagnosis will not necessarily have a lot in common with someone with a Tourettes diagnosis. Sometimes people with ADHD have almost the opposite challenges to someone with ASD. Social communication skills are not a hallmark of some ND conditions in the same way they are with others. It is totally possible that someone who fits within the current ND umbrella has far less in common with your particular challenges than someone that is currently deemed to be NT.

All ND diagnoses have one thing in common, and that's that it significantly and persistently impacts your life. That's an entirely different thing to having traits.

Without accommodations and medication, my ADHD, statistically speaking, will shorten my life expectancy by decades, double (or more) my risk of drug addiction, and double my risk of unemployment. I'd prefer the sexual harassment, thanks!

LameBorzoi · 07/11/2025 00:14

I have experienced both workplace sexual harassment and a workplace without ND accommodations, so I think I am very well placed to tell you which I'd prefer.

LameBorzoi · 07/11/2025 05:22

To fill out my previous reply - the sexual harassment and the lack of accommodations have so much in common. The unacknowledged harm, and the frustration of not being heard. The impact not being understood. The way people believe it's not there, just because it's not happening to them. They way people try to correct you about your own experiences.

I'm perfectly aware that ND represents a wide variety of things. But things like race aren't simple or binary, either. Sexual discrimination, for instance, is rarely clear cut.

LameBorzoi · 07/11/2025 06:12

I brought that analogy up due to that poster's confident posts that her workplaces had no modifiable barriers for ND people, and the persistent subtext that ND people just need to suck it up and act neurotypical.

Due to the diverse nature of ND, she cannot know that there are minimal barriers at her workplace. What is a boon to one person is a barrier to another.

What is a logical process to a NT person can be a barrier to a ND person, and vice versa.

For example - there's a particular process that's done in, say, three steps in part A and two in part B. Most people do this sequentially.

I need to do this process with one of the part A and B steps running concurrently. I get consistently better results than anyone else doing it this way. If anyone else tries doing it this way, the whole process falls apart, because they don't think the way I do.

So many people in the past have told me I can't do it my way, because the processes are in place for a reason. However, it's a reason for them, but not for me.

Thatsalineallright · 07/11/2025 06:39

LameBorzoi · 07/11/2025 00:11

All ND diagnoses have one thing in common, and that's that it significantly and persistently impacts your life. That's an entirely different thing to having traits.

Without accommodations and medication, my ADHD, statistically speaking, will shorten my life expectancy by decades, double (or more) my risk of drug addiction, and double my risk of unemployment. I'd prefer the sexual harassment, thanks!

Er, you do realise that's not how statistics work, right? Statistically, a group could have a 99% chance of drug addiction. However your personal risk as an individual can still be zero - just don't take drugs.

Also, it's been shown that children in care or with some other background trauma are more likely to have ADHD. These are exactly the cohorts that are also more likely to face drug addictions, unemployment etc. So is it the ADHD causing the statistics you mentioned, or the traumatic childhood?

Marshmallow4545 · 07/11/2025 07:11

LameBorzoi · 07/11/2025 00:11

All ND diagnoses have one thing in common, and that's that it significantly and persistently impacts your life. That's an entirely different thing to having traits.

Without accommodations and medication, my ADHD, statistically speaking, will shorten my life expectancy by decades, double (or more) my risk of drug addiction, and double my risk of unemployment. I'd prefer the sexual harassment, thanks!

No, it isn't an entirely different thing to having traits. With any medical threshold, there will be those that just meet the threshold and those that sit just below it. In your binary world, one of these people would be called ND and one would be called NT although it's obvious that they could both have far more in common with each other than they would with other people that share their respective labels.

It's also true that someone who qualifies for an ND diagnosis could have a higher number of stronger traits but be in a work environment that suits them so that they thrive. Alternatively someone that doesn't quote qualify for an ND diagnosis can have fewer strong traits but be working in an environment that contradicts their traits. Again, it's really important to understand that people with ND diagnoses do not experience all ND traits more strongly than so called NT people. This has been scientifically proven.

I'm glad you have a medication and some adjustments that work for you but you are in great danger of making things worse for others by sticking to this binary ND/NT approach that could potentially see support withheld from others and unreasonable expectations being placed on them as they are expected to accommodate other people's needs. We need a much more nuanced approach to all of this that doesn't prioritise needs just because someone happens to have a diagnosis and neglect other people's needs because they don't.

Marshmallow4545 · 07/11/2025 07:18

LameBorzoi · 07/11/2025 05:22

To fill out my previous reply - the sexual harassment and the lack of accommodations have so much in common. The unacknowledged harm, and the frustration of not being heard. The impact not being understood. The way people believe it's not there, just because it's not happening to them. They way people try to correct you about your own experiences.

I'm perfectly aware that ND represents a wide variety of things. But things like race aren't simple or binary, either. Sexual discrimination, for instance, is rarely clear cut.

You were trying to collectivise the ND experience and other so called NT people. Suggesting that only ND people could possibly understand things and that NT people couldn't speak on ND challenges because they can't have experienced them.

This was just wrong and inflammatory

ND traits can be experienced by NT people to the point that it adversely impacts their working lives. The threshold for diagnosis is more about aligning a specific set of challenges experienced in a certain way to a condition. If someone doesn't receive a diagnosis then it doesn't mean that they don't have ND traits and would need adjustments in the workplace to accommodate them just the same as you. They might just not present themselves in a neat tidy package or in a pattern that professionals can align with a diagnosis.

JeminaTheGiantBear · 07/11/2025 08:02

I think a huge amount is the intolerable work burden that is placed on others without a diagnosis.

Apart from weekends, I have not had time off work since 4 days in early June & am exhausted with my physical health falling apart - constant UTIs, eye infections, ear infections, arthritis flare ups etc. This is because I am having to cover at work for another member of staff with a magic diagnosis. I am having to work nights & weekends to cover for her needs.

The other evening this person sent me a message saying how much they were enjoying watching down cemetery road - while I was so tired that I could barely stand. I have children (one with significant medical difficulties) & elderly relatives to care for & various physical health issues (including arthritis & lung problems) & am a single parent - but occ health will see me working until I am physically unable to continue, while my colleague with the diagnosis relaxes. It leaves a very sour taste, yes. I know I should not blame my colleague- but the lack of awareness on her part - the expectation that I will endlessly sympathise with her!- is really grating.

LameBorzoi · 07/11/2025 08:03

Marshmallow4545 · 07/11/2025 07:18

You were trying to collectivise the ND experience and other so called NT people. Suggesting that only ND people could possibly understand things and that NT people couldn't speak on ND challenges because they can't have experienced them.

This was just wrong and inflammatory

ND traits can be experienced by NT people to the point that it adversely impacts their working lives. The threshold for diagnosis is more about aligning a specific set of challenges experienced in a certain way to a condition. If someone doesn't receive a diagnosis then it doesn't mean that they don't have ND traits and would need adjustments in the workplace to accommodate them just the same as you. They might just not present themselves in a neat tidy package or in a pattern that professionals can align with a diagnosis.

No person that is not from a minority group should ever attempt to speak on behalf of that group unless invited. It's pretty straightforward.

LameBorzoi · 07/11/2025 08:05

JeminaTheGiantBear · 07/11/2025 08:02

I think a huge amount is the intolerable work burden that is placed on others without a diagnosis.

Apart from weekends, I have not had time off work since 4 days in early June & am exhausted with my physical health falling apart - constant UTIs, eye infections, ear infections, arthritis flare ups etc. This is because I am having to cover at work for another member of staff with a magic diagnosis. I am having to work nights & weekends to cover for her needs.

The other evening this person sent me a message saying how much they were enjoying watching down cemetery road - while I was so tired that I could barely stand. I have children (one with significant medical difficulties) & elderly relatives to care for & various physical health issues (including arthritis & lung problems) & am a single parent - but occ health will see me working until I am physically unable to continue, while my colleague with the diagnosis relaxes. It leaves a very sour taste, yes. I know I should not blame my colleague- but the lack of awareness on her part - the expectation that I will endlessly sympathise with her!- is really grating.

Your workload is not her fault. It's the result of poor management or staffing planning.

Imdunfer · 07/11/2025 08:06

LameBorzoi · 07/11/2025 00:11

All ND diagnoses have one thing in common, and that's that it significantly and persistently impacts your life. That's an entirely different thing to having traits.

Without accommodations and medication, my ADHD, statistically speaking, will shorten my life expectancy by decades, double (or more) my risk of drug addiction, and double my risk of unemployment. I'd prefer the sexual harassment, thanks!

Of course it's not different from having persistent traits, it just means that ND people have more of them all at the same time. Contrary to your opinion, I've found NT people mostly able to understand how any one particular trait of mine affects me. The big difficulty they have is getting their head around how they stack and that the sum of 1 +1 +1 is 10, not 3, and that's what makes us ND.

Also, impact can be mitigated in some circumstances by some people. It's possible to learn not to turn up late, to be trained to improve executive function. It appears to me, anecdotally, that reasonable adjustments like turning up late to work and out of work benefits are being given out before requiring people with ADHD to do some executive function training and I don't think that's either reasonable or fair.

I'm really looking forward to the extension of the brain mapping research that's going on at the moment, because study after study is currently showing that the electrical circuitry in our brains really is wired differently from other people's and the latest one I've read had also found gut biome alterations.

Some people are reporting that semaglutide diet injections are turning off their ADHD symptoms, but I've also seen reports that eating more meat does the same. I use amino acids to control my symptoms. I don't think it's acceptable that people have been given PIP for life and told they never need to look for work again when things are so fluid.

This discussion has also stayed well away from the blaggers so far. The assumption has been that adjustments and benefits are always being asked for in good faith, just that NT people may also need them.

That isn't true. A substantial proportion of human beings are wired to game the system to get the best advantage out of it they can. Life on disability benefits if your disability doesn't actually cost you extra money can be a very attractive proposition.

The problem with ND benefits/adjustments in an adult capable of going to work is that you can't tell who is blagging and who is not, so I don't think there's going to be a change in resentment to reasonable adjustments or disability benefits for ND people any time soon.