Another fatal dog attack

[Viviennemary]

I felt sick when I just saw this on Sky News. A nine month old baby in Wales. Its desperately sad. But when is anything going to be done about those dangerous dogs. Legislation is needed.

Look at the statistics.

@AnareticDegree- I hate to point out to you that Starmer isn’t responsible for everything in the world.

Such a sad & tragic thing to happen... that poor baby!
Please don't speculate on the breed, as most dogs are able to kill if push comes to shove.

Especially when spooked by fireworks 😞 Just awful 😔

But which breeds actually DO repeatedly kill children? Not just possibly could or once have, but over and over again are in the news because another child has been mauled by their oversized family pet?

Thank you for this, I stand corrected

One of those XL things was walked past me earlier today, I saw it coming and veered right to the edge of the pavement, my legs actually felt like jelly. It was huge and so muscular. The guy walking him was pulling him in tightly on the lead as the bloody thing spotted me and stopped momentarily. I consider myself a pretty level headed person and it takes a lot to frighten me but those dogs absolutely terrify me. Why on earth would you take the risk and own a dog like that, especially around children.

Are we thinking more border collie or golden retriever?

BBC says the police are trying to establish which breed it is. So unlikely to be a labrador I would have thought. Quite why they need to establish the breed before killing it, given that it has killed a baby I fail to understand.

With a baby I think almost any dog could kill it unfortunately

I remember an a and e nurse in here saying years ago the amount of childrens injuries she attended with the family saying he's never done this before. . Dogs will dog.

Yes just to be clear the dangerous dog act does cover private dwelling, but I meant in regards to eg. The recent laws covering specific breeds such as XL bullies or orders that are given to certain dog owners.

For instance they may have to muzzle a dog if they are a particular breed or have been given a warning due to bite history when the dog is outside , but they are not expected to muzzle those same dogs inside their home as far as I’m aware.

to quote the law on XL bullies:
*keep the dog muzzled in public places – Defra recommends using a muzzle that does not inhibit the dog from panting, breathing or drinking

• keep the dog on a lead in public places – the lead must be securely held by someone at least 16 years old
• keep the dog in secure conditions that will stop it from escaping*

So it’s more focused on the impact of the dog outside of private dwellings.

And even if they were required to muzzle inside around kids let’s face it - it would be so hard to monitor what goes on behind closed doors. The kind of people who own dogs like that aren’t often keen to comply.

👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

But springer spaniels and westies seem to "dog" very rarely compared with XL bullies and not-quite-pit-bulls, don't they? Not that I have a stats link for you.

.

The thick cunts who have these dogs will still be bleating “mine would never do that, it’s a big soppy baby!”

Let’s hope whoever was responsible for the dog gets a long time in prison. Absolute thick as shit lowlife. That poor child; it doesn’t bear thinking about what they must have experienced

Yeah these type of owners are so lacking in common sense and yet so very stubborn . It’s an unfortunate combination.

Why does every single thread attract some sort of reference to gender? It’s infuriating. Mumsnet made a board specifically for gender discussion cos the rest of it are sick of it.

This is a thread about dangerous dogs. Go whinge about Starmers stance on gender somewhere else.

On the news it just said dog has been put down. Breed not yet established so not known if it was a banned breed. It belonged to a family member. No arrests have been made.

Yet to be released, but I would stake my house on it not being a labrador/spaniel/chihuahua.

Don't think the breed matters. If it's big enough to kill a child it doesn't belong anywhere that it can get near a child.

With a baby yes youre probably right. But the issue with bully type dogs, that the ‘he wouldn’t hurt a fly’ types love to ignore, is the size of head and jaw give it an incredibly strong bite. A smaller dog will ‘get away with’ a minor bite in the way a bully won’t. It’s like comparing a venomous snake to a non venomous one. Any snake can bite you but only one would be fatal.

Specifically to xl bullies a large proportion descend from a specific dog with extremely high levels of aggression. It’s like deliberately breeding from psychopaths. It doesn’t matter how well trained the dog is, it’s in their genes.

Far too much adoration of dogs in this country. Can't open your mouth about the danger unless willing to get an earful of excuses about the lovely cuddly animal who wouldn't touch you. Until they do.

I think anyone with children under 18 living in the house should be banned from owning any kind of breed of dog.

But sigh.... I suppose enforcement is the issue, and lack of awareness of the dangers posed and entitlement to do whatever they want, and their rights and....

What dangerous dogs? They haven't said what the breed is. It could be a Cockerpoo or a Westie...

The ones specifically bred to be dangerous in temperament and build muscles in certain places such as their jaw. These dogs have been literally designed this way. In the same way you’ll struggle to stop many terriers chasing small furries because that is their job.