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Whyandwhenandwho · 02/11/2025 09:36

Stabbing turns out to be terror related or in a similar vein to incident to recent incidents that were related to immigration ? We don't know the identities yet of the perpetrators. But the fact the Home Secretary is brought in to comment in tabloids and the discussion on LK on BBC today makes me worried its a possibility. The poor people on the train - I cannot even imagine .. ..Starmer needs to tackle knife crime as its rife. What is the answer ? When is there a tipping point ? I don't know but something must be done - I've never paid as much attention other than feeling so terribly sorry for any victims and families. Now I'm starting to get angry when I see anything like this

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BIossomtoes · 02/11/2025 14:55

WeCouldBeNiceToEachOther · 02/11/2025 14:52

But surely granting asylum to genuine asylum seekers isn’t a bad thing?

Of course it isn’t. Speeding up processing would mean asylum seekers with legitimate claims could start working, paying taxes and start building a life. Obviously some people don’t want that.

Passthebiscuit12 · 02/11/2025 14:56

I can’t believe the social media literally there is more about the fact they wanted them to be immigrants or Muslims in general and our dissapointed that they may not be 🙈 than there is any real emotion for any of the victims.

Willyoujustbequiet · 02/11/2025 14:56

MyNimbleBrickCritic · 02/11/2025 14:47

Police don't always know in the early stages.

But official statements are often designed to reduce public reaction.

After the initial false social media reports about Axel Radabaknu , there was an early official report saying he was Welsh.

As he had been born in Wales. But by no definition of most people, he wouldn’t be considered Welsh just by virtue of being born there by Rwandan parents.

Yes, i don't disagree tbh.

38thparallel · 02/11/2025 14:56

Not a good comparison as Japanese are notoriously racist, they hated it when a Chinese actress played Geisha because she had a wrong hair line.

Maybe the Japanese felt a Chinese person playing a Geisha was cultural appropriation.

2dogsandabudgie · 02/11/2025 14:57

MrsSkylerWhite · 02/11/2025 14:51

It’s where you are born that dictates your nationality.

So someone migrating here from America is still American even if they apply for British citizenship because that's where they were born.

AnAlpacaForChristmasPleaseSanta · 02/11/2025 14:57

jasflowers · 02/11/2025 14:35

Take heart, latest polling is less than 1/3rd of the electorate support Reform, 27%, the vast majority do not.

Trouble is we have no idea how honest people are actually being on the subject until they hit the polling station. I was under the impression that Reform was vastly unpopular on MN too but quite a few posts on this thread and the other one suggest otherwise.

OldBalkanNationalistGrumpy · 02/11/2025 14:57

Passthebiscuit12 · 02/11/2025 14:56

I can’t believe the social media literally there is more about the fact they wanted them to be immigrants or Muslims in general and our dissapointed that they may not be 🙈 than there is any real emotion for any of the victims.

Well, don't be so falsely emotionalised. The two men were once migrants without documents from another country/s - it is absolutely the same case

Blinky21 · 02/11/2025 14:57

This country has lost its head. Broadcasters now have to state the nationality of suspects at the top of news reports. Maybe they should always state the nationality and race of everyone suspected or convicted to show the public that the vast amount of offences in the UK are committed by white British people and that has long been the case

WeCouldBeNiceToEachOther · 02/11/2025 14:58

BIossomtoes · 02/11/2025 14:55

Of course it isn’t. Speeding up processing would mean asylum seekers with legitimate claims could start working, paying taxes and start building a life. Obviously some people don’t want that.

As is becoming increasingly clear. Reading some posts on this thread is genuinely upsetting.

ttcat37 · 02/11/2025 14:59

OldBalkanNationalistGrumpy · 02/11/2025 14:55

ethnicity of the people who did the crime, please? Not the nationality

Why does the colour of their skin matter?

LaserPumpkin · 02/11/2025 14:59

2dogsandabudgie · 02/11/2025 14:57

So someone migrating here from America is still American even if they apply for British citizenship because that's where they were born.

Legally they’d be British nationals (or dual nationals if America allows that), but I suspect they’d still “feel” American.

localnotail · 02/11/2025 14:59

I'm foreign, but my DC were born here, can only speak English and never lived in any other country. You are going to tell me they are not English/ British? I also been here for over 30 years, studied here, worked, paid taxes, bought property, my life is the same as any other boring UK resident - I never go back to my home country nowadays - so am I not British?

Would my skin colour, religion and country of origin make a difference?

WeCouldBeNiceToEachOther · 02/11/2025 15:00

Blinky21 · 02/11/2025 14:57

This country has lost its head. Broadcasters now have to state the nationality of suspects at the top of news reports. Maybe they should always state the nationality and race of everyone suspected or convicted to show the public that the vast amount of offences in the UK are committed by white British people and that has long been the case

Mentioned this to my dad earlier. I said it’s something like 97% of rapes are committed by white British men and he said that’s not the issue, the issue is that foreigners are here and committing crimes. They don’t care about the safety of the population. They just want foreigners out.

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 02/11/2025 15:00

IFartAlot · 02/11/2025 14:29

@pointythings and @MrsSkylerWhite

Is someone who migrated here from India on a work visa, got ILR and then British citizenship as British as someone whose ancestors go back to the British isles from before records began?

What does it matter?

EasternStandard · 02/11/2025 15:00

WeCouldBeNiceToEachOther · 02/11/2025 14:52

But surely granting asylum to genuine asylum seekers isn’t a bad thing?

The system isn’t great, it promotes crime, risk, death even on the way. Verifying claims is difficult, how do you obtain proof? Many defend it even though it’s a hugely profitable crime racket.

If I could offer refuge it would be to eg a mother and daughter from Sudan.

WeCouldBeNiceToEachOther · 02/11/2025 15:00

localnotail · 02/11/2025 14:59

I'm foreign, but my DC were born here, can only speak English and never lived in any other country. You are going to tell me they are not English/ British? I also been here for over 30 years, studied here, worked, paid taxes, bought property, my life is the same as any other boring UK resident - I never go back to my home country nowadays - so am I not British?

Would my skin colour, religion and country of origin make a difference?

of course you are

WeCouldBeNiceToEachOther · 02/11/2025 15:01

EasternStandard · 02/11/2025 15:00

The system isn’t great, it promotes crime, risk, death even on the way. Verifying claims is difficult, how do you obtain proof? Many defend it even though it’s a hugely profitable crime racket.

If I could offer refuge it would be to eg a mother and daughter from Sudan.

Edited

Thankfully though you and your hateful ideals aren’t in charge of the country.

PandoraSocks · 02/11/2025 15:01

WeCouldBeNiceToEachOther · 02/11/2025 14:58

As is becoming increasingly clear. Reading some posts on this thread is genuinely upsetting.

Yep. These sort of threads really do shine a light on what people really think.

WearyExLondoner · 02/11/2025 15:01

WeCouldBeNiceToEachOther · 02/11/2025 14:31

Tell that to the victims and their families.

Read my post again, it may be of help.

Terrorists who have a desire to live after committing an act of barbarism are quite a different threat from terrorists who wish to die whilst murdering others.

We can’t be warned to be wary of unattended bags, nor can shop workers be instructed to check retail premises for them if the bombs are not unattended and will be detonated whilst in the possession of the bomber.

Modern terrorism makes everyone with luggage a potential threat, we each, individually, have no way of knowing if someone is a traveller or a terrorist until we either carry on without incident or survive an attack.

That’s very different from the situation Londoner’s lived through with the IRA.

LaserPumpkin · 02/11/2025 15:02

localnotail · 02/11/2025 14:59

I'm foreign, but my DC were born here, can only speak English and never lived in any other country. You are going to tell me they are not English/ British? I also been here for over 30 years, studied here, worked, paid taxes, bought property, my life is the same as any other boring UK resident - I never go back to my home country nowadays - so am I not British?

Would my skin colour, religion and country of origin make a difference?

If you’re a British national then you’re British.

But you said you were foreign, so I’m guessing you don’t identify as such, regardless of legal nationality?

MrsSkylerWhite · 02/11/2025 15:02

LaserPumpkin · 02/11/2025 14:54

Nationality, yes, but not necessarily culture.

I know people born here to immigrant parents who very much consider themselves British.

I also know people born here to immigrant parents who very much don’t - they consider themselves to be the nationality of their parents’ home country.

It seems to depend on how much the parents are integrated - which goes back to the point a pp was making, I think.

I’ve known some truly foul, anti social, criminal white British families who’s roots probably go back to Boudicca, over the years. Godawful people who haven’t worked for years and aren’t integrated into “normal” society at all.

Not entirely sure what your point is.

pointythings · 02/11/2025 15:02

MyNimbleBrickCritic · 02/11/2025 14:54

But it is.

In every way that could be designed to improve things for people who are non-white.

How do YOU define Britishness for a young black man who says he is disproportionately effected by the education or criminal justice system?

Do you say they're just British now so their race and heritage doesn't matter and they are not being discriminated against?

Obviously not, because the presence and effect of racism in a society is an entirely separate subject. Clearly there are huge and ecalating problems with racism in the UK, as evidenced by those posters who equate Britishness with being white and seeing anyone not white as inherently not British.

You can be British and experience racism and discrimination. That should be obvious.

HPFA · 02/11/2025 15:02

cottonwoolie · 02/11/2025 14:12

So when a white person commits a terrible crime other white people's lives go on as normal-when it's a Black person other Black people get told there's something wrong with their community?

Is that true?

Soham led to the DBS system & wider child protection/safeguarding changes.

Dunblane led to stricter gun laws as did Hungerford.

Harold Shipman results in changes to parts of healthcare eg death certs

So we tried to make specific changes to prevent similar atrocities?

Rather than saying there was something intrinsically wrong with the white community?

localnotail · 02/11/2025 15:02

38thparallel · 02/11/2025 14:56

Not a good comparison as Japanese are notoriously racist, they hated it when a Chinese actress played Geisha because she had a wrong hair line.

Maybe the Japanese felt a Chinese person playing a Geisha was cultural appropriation.

Nope. The complaints were mainly due to racial difference (imperceptible to us) - like her hairline and features which were considered by the Japanese as being inferior and unacceptable for a Geisha.

EasternStandard · 02/11/2025 15:03

WeCouldBeNiceToEachOther · 02/11/2025 15:01

Thankfully though you and your hateful ideals aren’t in charge of the country.

It’s hateful to want to offer refuge to a mother and daughter from Sudan?

I think you’re typing whatever because you know the system is dangerous and hard to defend.

ETA your response is so bizarre perhaps you just didn’t read at all.

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