What will Starmer do if Huntingdon...

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Stabbing turns out to be terror related or in a similar vein to incident to recent incidents that were related to immigration ? We don't know the identities yet of the perpetrators. But the fact the Home Secretary is brought in to comment in tabloids and the discussion on LK on BBC today makes me worried its a possibility. The poor people on the train - I cannot even imagine .. ..Starmer needs to tackle knife crime as its rife. What is the answer ? When is there a tipping point ? I don't know but something must be done - I've never paid as much attention other than feeling so terribly sorry for any victims and families. Now I'm starting to get angry when I see anything like this

Not a good comparison as Japanese are notoriously racist, they hated it when a Chinese actress played Geisha because she had a wrong hair line...

They are also paying for it by having an increasingly aged population and not enough young people to support them.

My point was that the vast majority don't support Reform, they see through the fraudster.

Not a comment on our out of date voting system.

Sobering. My Dad was the manager of a city centre bookshop. When they got bomb threats (pretty common at one point) he and his staff were also expected to search the shop, which meant pulling books off each shelf. I was in my teens and I remember being very frightened by all of this.

The idea that all was quiet and calm in the 1970s is laughable. We also had the Cold War and the ever present threat of nuclear war.

Reminds me of this (image will show up in a few seconds).

Why, because Farage uses it to whip up speculation online? I would hope that there are enough intelligent people in this country to see Reform for the danger that they are.

I don't agree with you there. If someone has migrated here and has British citizenship then they are classed as being that, a British citizen, but they don't have the same cultural experience as someone born here so they can't be "as British". That would be like trying to erase that part of them that isn't British if that makes sense, so if they were Indian born, denying that they were of Indian descent which is insulting to them.

Most of the companies in charge of this type of thing are owned by close mates of the Tory leadership, who are now largely in favour of a reform government, so it wouldn’t surprise me.

No that’s not the entire issue. And unless the criteria is changed the grant rate will be the same whether sped up or not. Not having to wait as long is a better sell.

I think there’s also an element of not wanting to face up to what is going on.

Mental illness, real mental illness, means that the sufferer is not wholly accountable for what they do - at some level it’s beyond their control and they can’t help it.

The murder of Jonathan Zito springs to mind.

By assuming that any horrific act of violence against a random stranger is an episode of ‘mental health’, we don’t have to confront the fact that sometimes these things are done with intent by people who truly do mean us harm and want to inflict as much damage as possible.

On one level planning mass murder of any sort does, I feel, indicate an unsound mind - normal people wouldn’t think about doing that. But carrying out such an act doesn’t have to be the result of a ‘mental health episode’. If it was, then all wars could be attributed to a breakdown in mental health.

Speculation online last night was really disheartening. Ignorant little people with flags by their names doing some stirring.

You get the posters point. If you moved to Germany, Sweden, Australia wherever had kids they are then not German Swedish or Australian are they?

Absolutely, this.

Interesting that the poster you were replying to chose an Indian example, rather than say, Australian or Canadian. Of course, there are many black and brown Australians and Canadians but I think that poster’s point was very telling.

That’s not how legal definitions work…

Police don't always know in the early stages.

But official statements are often designed to reduce public reaction.

After the initial false social media reports about Axel Radabaknu , there was an early official report saying he was Welsh.

As he had been born in Wales. But by no definition of most people, he wouldn’t be considered Welsh just by virtue of being born there by Rwandan parents.

If the kids are born in those countries, of course they are!
A good friend’s two sons were born in Italy to his Italian wife. They very much consider themselves Italian.

Or, scared 'little people' sick and tired of these frequent atrocities that are usually caused by people with fucked up ideologies. We aren't allowed to say that though because the government tells us to be quiet.

To his Italian wife yes that would do it.

Had they been born in London to their English father, I’m pretty sure they would consider themselves English.

It’s where you are born that dictates your nationality.

But surely granting asylum to genuine asylum seekers isn’t a bad thing?

Unfortunately, some people will always disagree with you.
Sincerely hope they never find themselves in that situation.

Nationality, yes, but not necessarily culture.

I know people born here to immigrant parents who very much consider themselves British.

I also know people born here to immigrant parents who very much don’t - they consider themselves to be the nationality of their parents’ home country.

It seems to depend on how much the parents are integrated - which goes back to the point a pp was making, I think.

But it is.

In every way that could be designed to improve things for people who are non-white.

How do YOU define Britishness for a young black man who says he is disproportionately effected by the education or criminal justice system?

Do you say they're just British now so their race and heritage doesn't matter and they are not being discriminated against?

They are! Why not?

Does that work the same way for a white British person moving to Nigeria, China, or Egypt in their 30s, 40s or 50s and getting citizenship from those countries?

They would be just as Nigerian, Chinese or Egyptian as the indigenous population?

ethnicity of the people who did the crime, please? Not the nationality