What will Starmer do if Huntingdon...

[Whyandwhenandwho]

Stabbing turns out to be terror related or in a similar vein to incident to recent incidents that were related to immigration ? We don't know the identities yet of the perpetrators. But the fact the Home Secretary is brought in to comment in tabloids and the discussion on LK on BBC today makes me worried its a possibility. The poor people on the train - I cannot even imagine .. ..Starmer needs to tackle knife crime as its rife. What is the answer ? When is there a tipping point ? I don't know but something must be done - I've never paid as much attention other than feeling so terribly sorry for any victims and families. Now I'm starting to get angry when I see anything like this

it’s definitely unusual. According to an eye witness taxi driver he kept shouting kill me kill me kill me, to the police officers who apprehended him. Suicide by cop is often what happens when terror attacks come to an end

Agree with the previous posters. This is more likely to be mental health related, which itself should be another question for those government.

Terrorist attacks were pretty common in the 70s/80s - only it was Irish terrorism -

The Troubles atrocities in the UK were not just caused by Irish terrorists... but yes terrorists in some form have always existed. It's almost Bonfire night, that was terrorism a long time ago!

I worked in one of the big department stores in Oxford St in the 1970s. My recollection is that, at the height of the London bombing campaign the public were sufficiently wary that Oxford Street was largely empty of the public apart from the staff of the businesses (we were all required to work normally even though there were only a mere handful of customers most days). Quite often I had to find an alternative way to work as Oxford Circus station (or other central stations or sections of the streets) were closed by another bomb threat. When the store received a bomb threat (and there were a fair number of hoaxers), we received a coded tannoy message and had to search our own departments for suspicious packages and call to confirm when we had not found anything. The real warnings were quite short notice. They bombed a fast food chain place nearby just off Oxford Street and people were injured. To the best of my knowledge every department store was bombed more than once, I think all those were fire bombs. My place of work would not publicise any bombs found,( there were some), such that when customers ventured back, some of them were suspicious about the seeming unbombed nature of our store and suggested the management must be bribing the IRA to leave us alone. I assume the "political" reason of this bombing was to disrupt trading and damage the UK economy but it still injured and killed innocent members of the public (who were not politicians or members of the military).

We don't have "cops" in the United Kingdom.

If he was mentally ill, that could easily be why he's said that. The police have confirmed it's not terror related.

It's not mostly young men ... this is propaganda spread by Fascage , DM / Express and stoked by Putin .. I worked 10 yrs in the refugee sector and met mostly single bereaved mothers from Somallia / Iraq /Af /Congo and their very elderly parents .... many had been tortured and some of those victims were sometimes sent back

For two men together? A psychotic episode isn’t timed with someone else’s.

Ik it’s the go to on here often but it is rare for two men

It’s County lines that’s clearer from the information that’s been released so far one has stepped on. The other one’s toes in the public has got in the way.

The amount of hate against immigration is staggering when countries like the UK always benefited from people coming with skills, and paying taxes.

Apparently the attack is by British nationals not suspected of terrorism.

@Goldenbear well 2 & half. Is that hard to believe for you? When my dc were that age they were capable of talking to me about things they had seen.

Again why are you accusing of me lying? What is the purpose of me lying?

Rudabakana was born in the UK

Just saying......

For two men together? A psychotic episode isn’t timed with someone else’s.

Only one may have had an episode though as I believe there was only one knife.

No, unlikely given the two suspects were working together. Mental health episodes almost always happen without planning and warning and they almost always are alone. This profile in no way fits a psychotic episode of any kind.

I'm here - and British born is cited but heritage is still immigrants - same as Axel R (at least one of them anyway). As one poster earlier up said its mire nuanced than saying someone is British born ! That literally means nothing. We will soon hear about their backgrounds, etc. And I'll be very happy if I'm wrong . However my post was wider than just this issue - further down I spoke about knife crime in general and regardless of immigration status the government don't tackle it strongly as they might be worried that it will be perceived as racist. The press conference went exactly as many of us have expected

We don’t know what it is and the police have said it’s not helpful to speculate. However, psychosis isn’t the only mental health condition.

Who’s to say they were in a psychotic episode?

Who will make everything worse.

The police haven’t said this is the case, have they?

The majority of this was confined to NI so many in England won't have the awareness.

The Birmingham Bomb? The Sussex Pub in London? The Victoria Station bomb? The Brighton Bomb? Constant bomb scares?

How much does it take for people to be aware?

So where are all the posters on the last thread who were calling for the bombing of migrant boats? Why have they gone quiet?

And everyone who is calling for more police? Well how is that going to be funded? If you put up taxes then everyone complains.

Because unassimilated groups lead to ethnic enclaves that continue practices that are not compatible with Western civilization.

Because you’ve not done the work of assimilating them (and maybe it’s not possible. Which then you have to admit to and act accordingly)

What MH issue are you envisaging?

Yes! Football hooliganism was horrific for a long time in the 1970s and 80s. Race riots in the early 1980s. Rape within marriage was not a criminal offence. Sexual harassment routine. And so on.

The press conference went exactly as many of us have expected
You mean it gave us the facts as they stand within criminal justice guidelines, @Whyandwhenandwho ? Of course.

Im troubled by the ‘British born doesn’t mean really British’ tone of your (and some other posters) comments. How many generations back would you like to deport? Or would you have other ways to deal with this? Ghettos perhaps, to keep them away from real British people? Because that’s where your rhetoric leads, as history shows.

I can’t really get this phrasing, but I can’t see how you’ve drawn this conclusion?