What will Starmer do if Huntingdon...

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Stabbing turns out to be terror related or in a similar vein to incident to recent incidents that were related to immigration ? We don't know the identities yet of the perpetrators. But the fact the Home Secretary is brought in to comment in tabloids and the discussion on LK on BBC today makes me worried its a possibility. The poor people on the train - I cannot even imagine .. ..Starmer needs to tackle knife crime as its rife. What is the answer ? When is there a tipping point ? I don't know but something must be done - I've never paid as much attention other than feeling so terribly sorry for any victims and families. Now I'm starting to get angry when I see anything like this

Its not about what they're "allowed" to do.

Names are typically released at the point a suspect is charged, not when they're under arrest. This is because the legal threshold for a charge is significantly higher than that for an arrest, so it avoids names being released in error, and it also means the essential early investigations are less likely to be compromised.

They will be interviewing the suspects, and if a charge is made I imagine that's when we'll get the names.

Please think for thirty seconds and take some time to educate yourself on our policing and laws. Not everything is a conspiracy theory.

The Harrods bomb was 1983, I thought you said you were born in the 80s? So you were caught up near the explosion as a baby?

What has confused you @Goldenbear?

So you weren't aware of any of it or you weren't there to begin with?

No, no, no. They are really Muslim asylum seekers and Starmer is busy personally issuing them with new identities to cover this up.

It is obvious.

What a coincidence the OP hasn’t been back to the thread since the press conference 🙄

I was responding to what you said in response to this But it is related to immigration at some point. These aren't white British perpetrators
That post read very much as though anyone not white was also not British. Of course the experience of different sub groups within the category of British differs. It doesn’t make any of the groups less British.
If that’s not what you were implying, apologies.

Well the IRA killed a colleague of my fathers and his six month old baby girl when they stopped to pick up a take away so…..
oh and they planted a bomb and my primary school a few years later, ‘luckily’ they called in a coded warning but I guess that makes it all ok?

don’t try to claim that the IRA were a less worrying class of terrorists because they only went after military targets. They killed civilians and children as well.

Jesus Christ this place is weird at times….

I'm not sure what your point is?

Was your Dad a victim of a random stabbing? By someone who might or might not consider themselves to be acting on a Religious ideology yet not be affiliated with any actual group but just watching some stuff online?

That's the difference.

Yes, people were victims of and understandably afraid of IRA terrorism via bombings in England in the 70s and 80s.

What they weren't worried about was some random stabbing by someone not even affiliated to the IRA who had been radicalised by SM because it didn't exist.

That's the difference.

Also (I realise this is going way off track here) someone who refused to condemn IRA bombings got made a Baroness https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-53866958 - don’t tell me this is a new problem, we’ve always been dealing with terrorists and some of them get to have power.

And there are some who are able to care about both. Because believe it or not, both are important.

It goes without saying that the stabbing is appalling but when you join a thread to post support to the victims and instead have to wade through pages of Trump style bollocks then it does rather get in the way.

Apparently its perfectly fine unless a knife was involved.

Even if this is trying to make a point terrorism since then has been more than knives.

@Goldenbear what are you asking me? If i'm lying? no I'm not, I was 2. I never said I remember anything? my mum said I talked about it a bit afterwards but I have no recollection now & haven't for decades. As I said (might have been on another thread) the main one that concerned me was Bishopgate as my dad worked on Liverpool street. I didn't enjoy visiting family in NI, that would make me uncomfortable.

Talk about callous! No, my Dad was not a victim of a random stabbing he was in a hotel when a Fing bomb went off! Pretty terrifying whether you get a two minute warning or not!

People are staying that terror and fear existed in the good old days!!

Yep love abit of stereotyping!

The reports coming out on the scene are harrowing, I don’t think pp claims on county lines stand up.

Terrorist attacks were pretty common in the 70s/80s - only it was Irish terrorism -
I have never forgotten the earthquake-like feeling when the waterpumping station in Woodford (NE London) was bombed (I was also close enough to feel the ground move for the Canary Wharf bombing as well)

The Conservative party conference was bombed as well as bombs left at McDonalds that killed children and numerous pub and car bombings at the Old Bailey, Houses of Parliament, Tower of London and army recruiting officers etc

Most public buildings were on red/amber alert so you couldn't enter without having all of your possessions examined by security - same for large shops

Pupil murders were not-common but it happened at the high school nearest my house in the 1970s

Immigration was also controversial in the 1970s - the UK accepted 20,000-30,000 Vietnamese boat people and around 40,000 Ugandan Asians expelled by Idi Amin

Plus the UK was actually at War with Argentina in the early 80s

People get whipped up into thinking this is a new issue but really it's not - I guess 24 hour news and social media rumours means it all spreads faster

county lines doesn't make sense tbh.

So now we find the attackers aren't migrants and it's not thought to be a terrorist incident.

It could well turn out to be like the Nottingham case, linked to failures in mental health care.

Of course Reform's attitude to mental health is that people should just pull themselves together so don't expect much to change if they ever do get into power.

You were two and you talked about it a bit afterwards?

Because they haven't been charged yet, this is very typical.

It was two men. It’s unusual for MH to be cited as the reason if more than one.

This is what seems most likely to me.

Two men, similar ages, similar demographics, could have easily become friends in a mental health ward/in the community. One goes and does the attacking and drags the other with him, it doesn't seem too far fetched.

Agreed.