What will Starmer do if Huntingdon...

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Stabbing turns out to be terror related or in a similar vein to incident to recent incidents that were related to immigration ? We don't know the identities yet of the perpetrators. But the fact the Home Secretary is brought in to comment in tabloids and the discussion on LK on BBC today makes me worried its a possibility. The poor people on the train - I cannot even imagine .. ..Starmer needs to tackle knife crime as its rife. What is the answer ? When is there a tipping point ? I don't know but something must be done - I've never paid as much attention other than feeling so terribly sorry for any victims and families. Now I'm starting to get angry when I see anything like this

Presumably you think you’re in the higher echelons of those contributing to the thread, holding the Right Sort Of Views? You realise that at least half the posters on the thread will be thinking you and those holding similar views are gullible, sneery snobs don’t you?

No, personally I don't. Why do you think it does?

Measure to create safer streets are what's needed. Perhaps people would like to see a reversal of disastrous Tory policies instead of carrying on in the same vein and spending on things the country can't afford.

Yes

No.

Do you think a white presenting person from a similar background to England has the same lived experience as a Black-presenting person in a predominantly white country?

Some of my recent ancestors were Irish too. It's a completely different experience to someone migrating from a very different country, culture and has a different race.

It's so stupid when people like you try and pull the 'Irish card'.

Stop being so dim and thinking you as a white British/Irish person has the same experience as anyone not of your race for a start. Let alone other cultural factors.

Correct. I'm 67 and recall it all very well. We very much lived in fear of bomb attacks, especially in London.

It’s not enough to know the perpetrators are English/British. Given the UK is so multi cultural it’s important to know if there are issues amongst specific groups. Seeing stats such as nationality, age, cultural beliefs etc is the only way we can address issues.

The rape gangs situation is a good example of this. It’s important that they were/are predominantly Pakistani Muslim men because it allows the authorities to address the issues within that culture. Just saying that white men also do this is correct, of
course they do, but it could be that relative to the population make up they are not the main perpetrators of that type of crime. If we are importing criminals we need to know.

The facts, however uncomfortable for some, are important.

If it makes me a snob to actually remember the 70s and the fact that there were terrorist attacks then etc…

No, there were regular attacks in England. These were also not confined to large cities - many places were considered targets if they were connected to government or the armed forces. Downing Street was attacked in 1991 - that's why those big gates are now there - and the Conservative Party conference in the 1980s. IRA attacks were a real and ever present threat.

It wasn’t addressed to you.

Every time there’s an attack like this it pushes GB closer to a Reform govt.

That thought actually worries me more than the other options.

Extremists can be monitored and / or deradicallsed. People with mental health issues leading to violence can be identified and treated or contained for public protection.

Appreciate that neither is 100% effective, but what do you do about violent twats?

@NetZeroZealot I replied to a post referencing 3500 deaths & armed soldiers on the streets. As I said the majority of this was confined to NI eg about 20-30 civilians died in England & armed soldiers were not an everyday occurrence here. I never said England didn't experience bombings or destruction.

My god, amount of speculation on here... Two wankers, both British, one Black and one I would imagine mixed-race, attack people the train on a weekend evening. Of course they can't be drunken or drugged up, fighting passengers who they had an argument with, they have to be terrorists... And immigrants, and Muslims.

I agree, my Dad was in the London Hilton hotel when it was bombed by the IRA in 1975, I wasn't born then but my older brother was a baby and I can testify that was certainly worry in our family about the possibility of being caught up in this violence from that day onwards.

Men in their 30s?

I don't think so.

It was not "was".

In the 70s and 80s terrorists killed a member of the royal family, killed multiple MPs, and almost killed the PM. But apparently no one had heard of terrorist attacks…

@Lisanne55 yes the majority of deaths & armed soldiers were confined to NI. What happened in England during the Troubles was horrible but it was not the same as what happened in NI....

IRA attacks were a real and ever present threat.

As were attacks by paramilitaries who were actually responsible for more civilian deaths....

GB is pathetic if as a reaction to the problems caused by years of underfunding they will chose to have a government of incompetent lying chancers who would not be able to organise a piss up at a brewery, never mind sorting boring long term problems which require a lot of funding and time to resolve.

I must have been imagining the one who came through the train when I travelled on LNER a couple of weeks ago then

125 killed on the mainland but keep minimising it.

@Pharazon where have I minimised it? It's wrong to claim 3500 deaths happened on the mainland because they didn't... 125 civilian deaths? can you link to that as i've never seen that?

On the Israel-Gaza threads there are always posts saying, 'Well, if the French were firing thousands of rockets into the UK and had just raped and massacred hundreds of British people then we'd do something about it, just like the Israelis are doing something about what happened to them.' Only I don't think we actually would. We seem to be governed by people - and not just in the Labour Party - who think noticing stabbing is much worse than doing stabbing, and that it's a bit gauche and plebeian to not want to have your throat slit in the name of progress. If you have noticed your little corner of the world becoming slightly like the more perilous parts of Mogadishu or Darfur and you aren't appreciative of your streets being enriched by masked drug-dealers on electric scooters with machetes down their joggers then you are mistaken or fear-mongering or, more likely, just a bit thick.

In short, Keir Starmer would do nothing because he would rather let people be raped and murdered than express a low-status opinion that would have people choking on their Chablis at a Hampstead dinner party.

You don’t think negotiating for economic and physical security indicates care about the country?
That’s really an odd perspective.
Some things have happened which needed urgent response.
It’s so odd to me to suggest someone doesn’t care about the country because you disagree with them. He’s done nothing to suggest that, not like Johnson slipping his security detail or Truss and Farage running off to the US to talk us down. I disagreed with pretty much everything May did, but I don’t think she didn’t care about the country.

Absolutely spot on