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Whyandwhenandwho · 02/11/2025 09:36

Stabbing turns out to be terror related or in a similar vein to incident to recent incidents that were related to immigration ? We don't know the identities yet of the perpetrators. But the fact the Home Secretary is brought in to comment in tabloids and the discussion on LK on BBC today makes me worried its a possibility. The poor people on the train - I cannot even imagine .. ..Starmer needs to tackle knife crime as its rife. What is the answer ? When is there a tipping point ? I don't know but something must be done - I've never paid as much attention other than feeling so terribly sorry for any victims and families. Now I'm starting to get angry when I see anything like this

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WeCouldBeNiceToEachOther · 02/11/2025 11:58

EasternStandard · 02/11/2025 11:52

Of course it’s managed carefully. And no to your first line.

It’s almost as if they have an actual job to do and not just pandering to the far right.

EasternStandard · 02/11/2025 11:58

childofthe607080s · 02/11/2025 11:57

you will never get rid of all violence

to go form one incident to blaming the current government is much of a stretch - if you want to blame a government blame the tories who brought us austerity and Brexit , run the economy to the group and disenfranchised so many

you can’t fix over a decade of shit in a couple of years

and the more hate you push into society the more violence you will get back in return

Still backing Labour? There are not many that do.

PastaAllaNorma · 02/11/2025 11:59

TwistyTurnip · 02/11/2025 11:54

Well I don’t fell like they are doing much to keep us safe. I’m lucky that I don’t have to use trains. I remember feeling absolutely terrified when I had to use the London Underground a couple of years ago after the bombings.

Then you overreacted and need to get a grip. Should everyone be terrified getting on a plane because of 9/11? Or a bus, because 7/7 had a bus affected too. Or going to a concert?

Being terrified of existing in a world where violence sometimes happens isn't healthy.

Libellousness · 02/11/2025 11:59

SugarandSpiceandAllThingsNaice · 02/11/2025 11:58

These were not completely unarmed nor on minimum wage. They go through training and are licensed to carry nonlethal arms.
Good grief.
London average wages are £56k
ROK are £47k

Edited

What were they armed with? Batons?

taxguru · 02/11/2025 11:59

SugarandSpiceandAllThingsNaice · 02/11/2025 11:57

@Meadowfinch
The primary purpose of the government is to ensure the safety of its citizens. And they haven't. We aren't safe. These aren't drug dealers getting stabbed in a turf war. These are ordinary decent people sitting on a train or walking a dog or visiting a bank. Whether the cause is extremism or drugs or terrorism or criminality, it's every week now. This govt is inept at best.

The government allowed the train companies to cost cut away train security staff on these cross country routes. They are 100% responsible for leaving us at the mercy of anyone criminally inclined or seriously mentally unwell to the point of being a danger to others and themselves.
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LNER is government owned!

EasternStandard · 02/11/2025 12:00

WeCouldBeNiceToEachOther · 02/11/2025 11:58

It’s almost as if they have an actual job to do and not just pandering to the far right.

Silly response tbf.

WeCouldBeNiceToEachOther · 02/11/2025 12:00

EasternStandard · 02/11/2025 11:58

Still backing Labour? There are not many that do.

You can exist in your little echo chamber but this is an issue that has come to a head because of 14 years of Tory rule.

MyNimbleBrickCritic · 02/11/2025 12:01

Lifesd · 02/11/2025 11:42

Nationals and citizens can be 2 different things.

Im keen to understand the motives here and why two men in their 30’s (were they known or not know to the police) were randomly attacking people on the train. Or the eye witness account I saw said only one had a knife. More questions than answers.

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Both men have been charged with attempted murder.

That indicates both men were involved in attempted murder regardless of who was welding the knife.

LavenderBlue19 · 02/11/2025 12:01

EasternStandard · 02/11/2025 11:49

Why so wedded to Labour and Starmer at this point? Most can see they’re doing badly.

I don't think anyone has said they're 'wedded' to Labour or Starmer. They're the current government, will be for the next four years, and are doing a better job than Boris Johnson and Truss did. And a far, far better job than Reform would do.

Boohoo76 · 02/11/2025 12:01

SugarandSpiceandAllThingsNaice · 02/11/2025 11:54

They should NEVER have allowed the train companies to cut costs by cutting train security staff in the first place. I recall signing several petitions against this years ago and the petitions warned the companies and government that having only a driver + ticket conductor or on some routes driver only would result in high risk for stabbings, rapes, medical emergencies, theft/assault - the works.

Did they listen? No and now we have this.

This was a LNER train. They have guards. However, I don’t know what you would expect a guard to do in this situation.

placemats · 02/11/2025 12:02

TwistyTurnip · 02/11/2025 11:54

Well I don’t fell like they are doing much to keep us safe. I’m lucky that I don’t have to use trains. I remember feeling absolutely terrified when I had to use the London Underground a couple of years ago after the bombings.

How do you travel then? Car accidents are the biggest cause of accidental deaths and injuries.

Netcurtainnelly · 02/11/2025 12:02

SugarandSpiceandAllThingsNaice · 02/11/2025 11:54

They should NEVER have allowed the train companies to cut costs by cutting train security staff in the first place. I recall signing several petitions against this years ago and the petitions warned the companies and government that having only a driver + ticket conductor or on some routes driver only would result in high risk for stabbings, rapes, medical emergencies, theft/assault - the works.

Did they listen? No and now we have this.

They would have just stabbed the staff, it wouldn't have been a deterrent.
If they had bus conductors they would get abused and park keepers. There's no respect or manners anymore and so much violence around

pointythings · 02/11/2025 12:02

Netcurtainnelly · 02/11/2025 11:55

People living in the 50s, 60s, 70s who are now deceased would be turning in their grave now seeing England today.
Everyday its something.
How many children did you hear about who were murdered at school by another pupil back then?
How many terrorist attacks did you hear of?
How many stories about migrant crossings did you hear of?
Hotels having to put asylum seekers up.
Having to hear that some of them have murdered people.
How many prisons were full?

Need someone with backbone to run the country.
It will only get worse if things dont change.

Ah, out comes the toxic nostalgia.

Why don't you give a toss about Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland?

EasternStandard · 02/11/2025 12:03

WeCouldBeNiceToEachOther · 02/11/2025 12:00

You can exist in your little echo chamber but this is an issue that has come to a head because of 14 years of Tory rule.

The PM is the most disliked for some time.

If you don’t know that it’s more likely down to your echo chamber.

WeCouldBeNiceToEachOther · 02/11/2025 12:03

EasternStandard · 02/11/2025 12:00

Silly response tbf.

As are all of yours.

They cannot release a name until the suspect is charged. It has always been, and will always be, this way. The only reason people are pushing back is because they don't like what they have been told. It was exactly the same after the car drove into the crowd in Liverpool in May (in fact, I think I recall you saying the exact same things at that time!), because people seek confirmation bias. There have been crimes that have been committed by extremists which have been labelled as such and people have not pushed back to this degree.

The police admitted that they did not handle Southport correctly, and have made changes.

AnareticDegree · 02/11/2025 12:03

Boohoo76 · 02/11/2025 12:01

This was a LNER train. They have guards. However, I don’t know what you would expect a guard to do in this situation.

Radio for help, get a faster response and potentially save lives?

SugarandSpiceandAllThingsNaice · 02/11/2025 12:03

taxguru · 02/11/2025 11:58

I thought there were two staff members injured on the train, so there were at least two train staff on board. If it was an LNER, it would have several staff including the catering staff, train manager, stewards in first class, etc. How many more do you think they need? Surely it's a matter for British Transport Police to ride on trains or be more pro-active with searches etc on stations? It wasn't one of the small rural trains with no staff other than the driver.

They need rail security officers. Expecting a catering employee to take down a knife wielding attacker is ludicrous.

Legolava · 02/11/2025 12:03

WeCouldBeNiceToEachOther · 02/11/2025 12:00

You can exist in your little echo chamber but this is an issue that has come to a head because of 14 years of Tory rule.

Echo chamber? Have you seen the polls lately? People don’t support Labour or Starmer, that is a fact.

Netcurtainnelly · 02/11/2025 12:03

LavenderBlue19 · 02/11/2025 12:01

I don't think anyone has said they're 'wedded' to Labour or Starmer. They're the current government, will be for the next four years, and are doing a better job than Boris Johnson and Truss did. And a far, far better job than Reform would do.

How do you know?
Reform haven't been in yet.
If there was an election tomorrow they have a very good chance.

WeCouldBeNiceToEachOther · 02/11/2025 12:03

EasternStandard · 02/11/2025 12:03

The PM is the most disliked for some time.

If you don’t know that it’s more likely down to your echo chamber.

Him being disliked doesn't change that the Tories mismanaged this country and public funds for so long.

SugarandSpiceandAllThingsNaice · 02/11/2025 12:04

Netcurtainnelly · 02/11/2025 12:02

They would have just stabbed the staff, it wouldn't have been a deterrent.
If they had bus conductors they would get abused and park keepers. There's no respect or manners anymore and so much violence around

Rail security officers are not just “staff”

Sirzy · 02/11/2025 12:04

Netcurtainnelly · 02/11/2025 12:03

How do you know?
Reform haven't been in yet.
If there was an election tomorrow they have a very good chance.

Which is a very scary prospect!

Lalgarh · 02/11/2025 12:04

SugarandSpiceandAllThingsNaice · 02/11/2025 11:54

They should NEVER have allowed the train companies to cut costs by cutting train security staff in the first place. I recall signing several petitions against this years ago and the petitions warned the companies and government that having only a driver + ticket conductor or on some routes driver only would result in high risk for stabbings, rapes, medical emergencies, theft/assault - the works.

Did they listen? No and now we have this.

Supposedly the majority of stabbing victims were train staff.

Is this the grounds for industrial action maybe. Quite a lot of train companies are also now about to be brought back into state ownership, so this will be an issue they will go to government on

Boohoo76 · 02/11/2025 12:05

AnareticDegree · 02/11/2025 12:03

Radio for help, get a faster response and potentially save lives?

There was a guard on the train! LNER trains have guards.

MrsZiggywinkle · 02/11/2025 12:05

whatawalley · 02/11/2025 10:16

He won't do anything. He's utterly useless.

If anything, he will probably tell us we need to be tolerant.

Don’t be so ridiculous.

The country is in a mess left by the last Government. Reform don’t have a plan. Farage has said it himself. No other party can be trusted to sort the mess out.

Running the country is a bloody hard task at the moment. It is incredibly unfair and short sighted to say he will do nothing.

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