What will Starmer do if Huntingdon...

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Stabbing turns out to be terror related or in a similar vein to incident to recent incidents that were related to immigration ? We don't know the identities yet of the perpetrators. But the fact the Home Secretary is brought in to comment in tabloids and the discussion on LK on BBC today makes me worried its a possibility. The poor people on the train - I cannot even imagine .. ..Starmer needs to tackle knife crime as its rife. What is the answer ? When is there a tipping point ? I don't know but something must be done - I've never paid as much attention other than feeling so terribly sorry for any victims and families. Now I'm starting to get angry when I see anything like this

If it's the norm then why does it matter so much that we must be told? As is evident from this thread, if it's not islamic rooted it doesn't change anybody's minds, they still have a problem with Islamic radicals (rightly so) and there's a general view of "oh well if it wasn't Muslims on this one, they will be on the next one" - so what is the benefit of you knowing right now that this was a religiously motivated attack?

Well said.

Yes I get what you mean. It’s very managed, as Southport was and then more information later.

You're right. I'm not sure the govt is in the clear.

The primary purpose of the government is to ensure the safety of its citizens. And they haven't. We aren't safe. These aren't drug dealers getting stabbed in a turf war. These are ordinary decent people sitting on a train or walking a dog or visiting a bank.

Whether the cause is extremism or drugs or terrorism or criminality, it's every week now. This govt is inept at best.

Also "nothing to suggest this is terror related" doesn't mean terrorism has been ruled out.

I suspect there is a lot still to be revealed. So far nothing said makes me feel safer.

They aren't, see the link I posted. Extremism is not the same as terrorism. There are lots of different forms of terrorism but whatever, call them what you want this is ridiculous.

this is only being said because you don’t like what they’ve said.

the same happened after the Liverpool attack. Then he was charged and a picture and name was released and everyone was promptly shut up.

this is ridiculous.

agreed

This is a strange take. British citizenship does not have anything to do with loyalty - in the vast majority of cases it is purely an accident of birth. The perpetrators in this case will have been British citizens purely through birth, as will their parents, grandparents and great grandparents before them - if they are of Caribbean origin they will not have had any choice in the matter, British subject-hood having been imposed on the population after emancipation.

But in any case the police are saying this is not a terrorist act so it is not an attack on the state and has nothing to do with loyalty to Britain, any more so than any other violent crime.

Of course it’s managed carefully. And no to your first line.

Let's be totally honest. Stammer won't be here come next election like it or not. Vote for it or not.

Do not presume to tell me what I think. I have muslim family members who are terrified at the rise of radical Islam.

Of course its important. Why on earth wouldn't it be.

This is all so awful, those poor people. What leads to people having so much hate for others that they don't even know?

This sums it up.

Those who back Labour and Starmer of course are don’t talk about this.

They should NEVER have allowed the train companies to cut costs by cutting train security staff in the first place. I recall signing several petitions against this years ago and the petitions warned the companies and government that having only a driver + ticket conductor or on some routes driver only would result in high risk for stabbings, rapes, medical emergencies, theft/assault - the works.

Did they listen? No and now we have this.

Well I don’t fell like they are doing much to keep us safe. I’m lucky that I don’t have to use trains. I remember feeling absolutely terrified when I had to use the London Underground a couple of years ago after the bombings.

People living in the 50s, 60s, 70s who are now deceased would be turning in their grave now seeing England today.
Everyday its something.
How many children did you hear about who were murdered at school by another pupil back then?
How many terrorist attacks did you hear of?
How many stories about migrant crossings did you hear of?
Hotels having to put asylum seekers up.
Having to hear that some of them have murdered people.
How many prisons were full?

Need someone with backbone to run the country.
It will only get worse if things dont change.

Those who back Labour and Starmer of course are don’t talk about this

don't talk about what?

How would unarmed train security staff on minimum wage take down a crazed knifeman? Be realistic.

@Meadowfinch
The primary purpose of the government is to ensure the safety of its citizens. And they haven't. We aren't safe. These aren't drug dealers getting stabbed in a turf war. These are ordinary decent people sitting on a train or walking a dog or visiting a bank. Whether the cause is extremism or drugs or terrorism or criminality, it's every week now. This govt is inept at best.

The government allowed the train companies to cost cut away train security staff on these cross country routes. They are 100% responsible for leaving us at the mercy of anyone criminally inclined or seriously mentally unwell to the point of being a danger to others and themselves.
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you will never get rid of all violence

to go form one incident to blaming the current government is much of a stretch - if you want to blame a government blame the tories who brought us austerity and Brexit , run the economy to the group and disenfranchised so many

you can’t fix over a decade of shit in a couple of years

and the more hate you push into society the more violence you will get back in return

As far as I can work out only Spain require this, and only for long-distance, high speed routes. I had never heard of it though, so thanks for the education in Spanish high speed rail travel!

Does “keen to understand” translate to “give me all that information in the next hour” - no it does not.

I understand judicial process but also do not think the information provided will do much to quell the tinderbox of public opinion right now.

These were not completely unarmed nor on minimum wage. They go through training and are licensed to carry nonlethal arms.
Good grief.
London average wages are £56k
ROK are £47k

I thought there were two staff members injured on the train, so there were at least two train staff on board. If it was an LNER, it would have several staff including the catering staff, train manager, stewards in first class, etc. How many more do you think they need? Surely it's a matter for British Transport Police to ride on trains or be more pro-active with searches etc on stations? It wasn't one of the small rural trains with no staff other than the driver.