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Stabbing turns out to be terror related or in a similar vein to incident to recent incidents that were related to immigration ? We don't know the identities yet of the perpetrators. But the fact the Home Secretary is brought in to comment in tabloids and the discussion on LK on BBC today makes me worried its a possibility. The poor people on the train - I cannot even imagine .. ..Starmer needs to tackle knife crime as its rife. What is the answer ? When is there a tipping point ? I don't know but something must be done - I've never paid as much attention other than feeling so terribly sorry for any victims and families. Now I'm starting to get angry when I see anything like this

@AnareticDegree but that isn't what I asked. Counter terrorism police involvement doesn't mean it was terror. The police have specifically said "no suggestion it was terror related"

It wouldn't.

It’s interesting that the police said that one of the men was of Caribbean origin but not for the other. But many people on here are describing them both to be of Caribbean descent…

You can be black but not Caribbean.

Your fundamental misunderstanding of what I said isn’t the fault of me l. I didnt say terrorism. I said terror. It just seems a ridiculous thing for the police to say that it’s not ‘terror related’ when the people on that train clearly felt a lot of terror. I also don’t see what motivation these two people could have for this attack if it wasn’t to cause terror.

They were initially involved.

We declared a major incident yesterday and Counter Terrorism Policing were initially supporting our investigation however at this stage there is nothing to suggest this is a terrorist incident.

Well said.

@AnareticDegree are you even reading what you are linking?

"We declared a major incident yesterday and Counter Terrorism Policing were initially supporting our investigation however at this stage there is nothing to suggest this is a terrorist incident"

Terror related means terrorism. Feeling terror doesn’t make it terrorism, nor terror related.

All white people were also children of immigrants in the uk

snd there are a lot of recent white immigrants in the uk also - but it’s skin colour that is noticed

I think it’s sad that people are so racist yet can’t understand how their racism will affect its victims and lead to the lack of cultural integration

It's also an issue in certain sects of Judaism, do you acknowledge this?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/uk-32935767.amp

Exactly…but why are people on this thread saying that they are both of Caribbean descent?

I agree that we can't go down that route but it is something that we have "British Nationals" here who have no loyalty, allegiance or goodwill towards Britain.

We set no parameters to say that immigrants had to, it is our fault.

And we are at a point where waving a British flag is seen as an act of aggression.

It means nothing to me that the police are saying they are British Nationals, because that doesn't imply loyalty to our country anymore.

This.

If they weren't Muslim surely releasing the names could help diffuse the situation?

We don’t know that they have no loyalty towards Britain - you are second guessing

Why is their religion important when they’re British citizens and it’s not terror related?

if the police had said they were Muslim terrorists you’d be lapping it up.

Yes, I deplore it in all religions. Two wrongs don’t make a right. However, no Jewish person has taken over any University debate that I have been part of and told me that I don’t have a right to be at that University. Have you experienced that?

We're all getting lost in a sea of words.

As an English speaker, I understand that it was an act of terror, regardless of the motive of the terrorists/perpetrators/drug addicts/psychopaths/religious extremists/county lines gang members.

"Nothing to suggest it was terror related" is a bad choice of words by the police. The act caused terror.

They need to qualify that with "nothing to suggest it was extremism-related terror".

Nationals and citizens can be 2 different things.

Im keen to understand the motives here and why two men in their 30’s (were they known or not know to the police) were randomly attacking people on the train. Or the eye witness account I saw said only one had a knife. More questions than answers.

It’s not waving the flag that’s seen as aggression though, is it? I’ve walked through the streets of London with England flags painted on my face and a football shirt on and had nothing but encouragement from everyone around me - no matter their race or religion.

The issue is that a very small subset of society (who are showing their true colours here!), have adopted it to be something very different from national pride. Is it any wonder that certain groups don’t feel any loyalty towards a country who hates them?

The UK is becoming a country without the essential fabric of society to make it function at the most basic in a civil country. The NHS is in shambles, the police is in shambles, the economy is not growing and prices keep going up.

Don't put the blame on Starmer when 14 years of Tory's government underfunded services like the police,. He's inherited a poison chalice.

My condolences to the families affected by this attack

It’s very early days into the investigation and you’re not actually entitled to that information.

patriotism is seen as something shameful, especially by those on the far left. Compare with other european countries and their sense of national pride which isn’t considered shameful. You only have to read the numerous posts over the last 12 hours talking about flag shaggers.

They never release the names of criminals in custody until charges are brought. The Liverpool guy's name was spread on social media and only confirmed by the police once charges were brought. It will probably happen again here so keep your eyes peeled on twitter as I'm sure everybody's thirst for this information will be quenched soon

Starmer is the PM now, it’s time to take responsibility.