What will Starmer do if Huntingdon...

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Stabbing turns out to be terror related or in a similar vein to incident to recent incidents that were related to immigration ? We don't know the identities yet of the perpetrators. But the fact the Home Secretary is brought in to comment in tabloids and the discussion on LK on BBC today makes me worried its a possibility. The poor people on the train - I cannot even imagine .. ..Starmer needs to tackle knife crime as its rife. What is the answer ? When is there a tipping point ? I don't know but something must be done - I've never paid as much attention other than feeling so terribly sorry for any victims and families. Now I'm starting to get angry when I see anything like this

We know why this happens, it's reform propaganda, Nigel was very successful with exactly this approach online, it was the decking factor for the Brexit vote to win.

I don’t. But we can bet that if they are white, a possible racial motivation will be discounted/downplayed when if the races were reversed, it would be at the forefront of the coverage and discussion.

You need to look up what terrorism means. Surely that’s basic before you write such a ridiculous post. It has to have a political end otherwise it’s not terrorism.

I would like to see a lot more made of this.

Presumably because there isn’t a political or religious motivation

And definitions can change. People can ask why it’s not terrorism if they feel afraid. It’s a rational question.

Of course they can ask, hence why people are answering!

But for me sitting on a train the result is the same; fear of being terrorised for whatever reason.

It makes no sense to say it's not terror related and then give no details about the motive. If they know it's not terror related then they must know why these two Welsh choirboys of Caribbean descent went on a murderous rampage

Where did I say it does?

“Terrorism is an action or threat designed to influence the government or intimidate the public. Its purpose is to advance a political, religious or ideological cause.”

the key is the motivation.

Ah but they won’t care as they don’t care about anyone they see as lower than them, they don’t register people lower than themselves as people, nevermind worry about their welfare.

Because giving too much information out at this stages risks the prosecution failing which surely nobody wants? We have to make sure that the judicial system can work properly and not risk the case failing because too much information is given to the public.

I don’t think the desire to know every little detail does anything to help anyone in these situations. The authorities need to get on with doing their jobs.

Why would county lines lead to people stabbing complete strangers on a train?

With due sympathy to those affected and injured, this incident sure took the immediate focus off Andrew formerly known as Prince and the RF in general today.

If it’s county lines or the like they may well be staying quiet so not to alert other members.

But for me sitting on a train the result is the same; fear of being terrorised for whatever reason.

Agree but that doesn't mean the motive was terrorism.

We need to know what their motivation is . They clearly know as they can state it is not terror.

I think that's our "smug" western centric view assuming 2nd/3rd generation immigrants should see "the privilege". Britain has been historically doing well (relative to some of our European peers) on integration part but probably smth went wrong in the last 10-15 yrs. You can see the effect of where we are headed if you look at France where north African immigrants were segregated from the beginning and now their french born grandchildren (i.e.3rd generation) are extremely radicalised as they feel in no-man's land, not accepted into french society, not afforded the same opportunities ,yet not knowing any other country.

100%

There are some who post more about concern re SM than the victims.

The police did say counter terrorism officers were involved.

https://www.btp.police.uk/news/btp/news/england/updated-statement-following-incident-at-huntingdon-station---cambridgeshire/

What we haven't been told is whether or not they were religious extremists, as well as causing an act of terror.

No, we don’t. Not at this stage where it could jeopardise the investigation or eventual prosecution.

But it is related to immigration at some point. These aren't white British perpetrators.

The same as Axel Radabakanu wasn't.
Nor Jihad Al-Shamie.

Ignoring that is harmful.

Do we? Why?

It’s very possible that they’re third generation immigrants who are the grandchildren of the windrush generation. We can’t start deporting our own citizens because somewhere down the line they have non British ancestry.