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Stabbing turns out to be terror related or in a similar vein to incident to recent incidents that were related to immigration ? We don't know the identities yet of the perpetrators. But the fact the Home Secretary is brought in to comment in tabloids and the discussion on LK on BBC today makes me worried its a possibility. The poor people on the train - I cannot even imagine .. ..Starmer needs to tackle knife crime as its rife. What is the answer ? When is there a tipping point ? I don't know but something must be done - I've never paid as much attention other than feeling so terribly sorry for any victims and families. Now I'm starting to get angry when I see anything like this

‘Nothing to suggest terror’ 🤦 perhaps they need to add why they believe that to be the case and what motive they are looking at because otherwise it just sounds ridiculous. Like when we were told Covid definitely wasn’t from a lab studying coronaviruses and at the location of the first cases. The general public aren’t stupid yet anyone stating the most likely motive will be called a racist or conspiracy theorist

If two people have co-ordinated a mass stabbing on a train why is that NOT defined as an act of terrorism?

Because it may not have been coordinated & it sounds like only one perp had a knife.

For it to be terror related it needs to be pre-meditated and intended to cause widespread fear and disruption, usually politically motivated to some degree.

If it's just some madman with a knife that's not terror. That's just a madman with a knife.

yet two men are arrested.

I’m stealing this for Linkedin

Maybe wait for the police to tell us. Although you won't be short of posters claiming they know the answer.

Because it’s the truth.

Terrorism is a very specific crime with very specific motivations, and is designated as such because it requires very specialised policing.

Every form of crime creates some feeling of terror. It doesn’t make every crime a terrorist incident.

I would like to see attacks on white people by non-white people treated as probable racist attacks in the same way as the attacks on non-white people by white people are.

For some reason the racial angle is automatically discounted and attacks labelled as “random” even when numerous victims all “randomly” happen to be white.

nb I am not saying that EVERY interracial attack is racially motivated, but the narrative that all interracial attacks by white people are, and all interracial attacks on white people are not is clearly wrong and is the generally promoted position.

It's saddening to see the discrepancy between this poster’s own writing style and the parts where they’ve used ChatGPT. I am all for better schools and quality education for everyone, so more people can live an educated and empowered life.

So we know the colour of all the victims ?

Second this.

the reason for mass speculation is because of the very deliberately vague wishy washy information coming from police. Obviously they know alot more than they’re saying and we know why they’re not saying.

Is everyone relieved the suspects didn't come in on the last boat?

Yes we need to wait as obviously if all victims are white there could be a racist element to this but we just don’t know enough information and it doesn’t help that the police and government are keeping relatively quiet.

The countries that won't take back all deportees are Cuba, Laos, Mexico, Myanmar, Vietnam, and South Sudan. Clearly, that is not "most" countries, unless you know of others? You have trotted out this claim before, and thus far refused to defend it. However, if someone leaves their home country to seek asylum elsewhere, and on refusal is denied the right to return to their home country, that is clearly denial of citizenship, which is illegal.

https://www.educateagainsthate.com/terrorism-definition/

You may also be a psycho/drug addict but what you are at the moment you get on that train is a terrorist causing serious risk to public safety.

Of course, it's the determination of some that it is not an act of terrorism that I find strange.

Perhaps there needs to be a clear definition of what amounts to an act of terrorism. Two men randomly stabbing people on a train journey is definitely terrifying.

Of course they may just have been drunk or on drugs. But they made that journey with a knife. That should not be normalised.

Where does it say all the victims are white?

There were numerous people on the original thread calling for migrant boats to be bombed out of the water in response to a knife attack on a train.

I'm pretty sure only one poster said that. What's the point in exaggerating?

And definitions can change. People can ask why it’s not terrorism if they feel afraid. It’s a rational question.

It is a strange one though - there are many people who are legally "British" but still say they are "Caribbean" for example.

We have people who hold British passports but have other countries that they are more aligned to than here - their 'origin' countries.
For example, a lot of people with Pakistani origin describe themselves as 'British Pakistani' not just British. It can be seen in basic things like sporting allegiances - a 2016 YouGov poll found that about two-thirds of British Pakistanis supported Pakistan’s cricket team over England’s. They are massively under represented in the British Army (won't fight for Britain?), so it is complicated - a British National doesn't necessarily have any allegiance to Britain, such is the way we have diluted what it is.

Because at this stage there isn't information to suggest it was coordinated.
Nor that they were working together rather than attacking each other or that one got up to prevent the other. We only know that two men have been arrested.

We just don't know anything more.

It's early in the investigation, and making up stories about it to tell one another is actively unhelpful.

From your own link

“Terrorism is an action or threat designed to influence the government or intimidate the public. Its purpose is to advance a political, religious or ideological cause.”

@AnareticDegree so why are the police not saying terrorism? I'm not arguing the act doesn't invoke terror.

But call them out and you'll be accused of not caring about the stabbing victims.