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Ah yes, that classic abusers’ line.

Files under: Brexit.

Ben Obese-Jecty, a Conservative MP whose constituency includes Huntingdon, where the train made an emergency stop during the stabbing incident, said it was “sad” but necessary that the police had to focus on swiftly releasing the ethnicities of the men arrested.

“I don’t like it. I understand why they do it. I think they actually have to do it now,” he said, speaking at Huntingdon station shortly after British Transport Police released its statement on Sunday.

“And I just think it’s sad that we’ve got to a stage where, because of the way that people leverage social media to their own ends, to push their own agendas and their narratives, the police have to get that information out there so that we’re dealing with facts and normal speculation.”

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/nov/02/police-disclose-ethnicity-suspects-far-right-speculation

From the Guardian.

Farage claims Reform UK are “on the side of working people”.

We are the party of alarm clock Britain, and we want people who are out there working to be genuinely better off working than they are on a whole range of benefits.

Farage moves on to benefits, and he says this is one reason he wanted to give the speech today.

Referring to the Conservatives (see 9.34am), he says there have been “misunderstandings” about Reform’s policy.

He says he would get rid of the two-child benefit cap – but only to help low-paid couples who are both working.

He also says Reform would cut spending on disability benefits, as set out by Lee Anderson last week.

He says:

We will substantially cut the benefits bill. We will reduce the size of the public sector. We will look as we’ve already started, at public sector pensions, which are a massive liability.

Some of this will be a bit problematic for Farage's voters. His own constituency has the highest proportion of people dependent on benefits (60%) of any other constituency, according to the Telemail, which also has an interesting graph:

I’m just catching up with thread & weekends horrific event, wasn’t very well so didn’t hear or see any news until last night MN being very glitchy for me today making it difficult to post as page keeps reloading mid reply & losing the bloody post, nothing meaningful to add apart from unfortunately not really that surprised at the hatefulness of some threads/social media
adding my admiration for the emergency services & the bravery shown by them & passengers, my Ds works for SouthEastern rail as platform staff like many he is not highly paid he covers three stations often working alone quite late at night he is on the receiving end of virtually daily verbal abuse/spitting/rubbish thrown at him would be nice if one of the outcomes of the terrible attack that the behaviours he deals with was dialled down a bit, combined with those that posted inflammatory vile misinformation/disinformation/inciting we’re dealt with the racist genie is well & truly out of the bottle it appears aided & abetted by even some elected officials & various other media outlets.

That will go down well with a great swath of MN judging on the regular benefits bashing threads.

We will look as we’ve already started, at public sector pensions, which are a massive liability.

He really is a lying toad. Public sector pensions are contractual, they can’t touch them so they definitely haven’t “already started”.

Pied Piper of Hamelin, aka Forage, had an awful press conference today. He's on the ropes and he knows it.

Excellent. Who would have thought it would happen so quickly?

Quite. He could reform the existing schemes, but he can't touch pensions currently accrued or in payment.

He needs to be careful, anyway. The Tories made a massive mess of reforming the civil service pension scheme, which is now costing time and money to put right.

Sure will.

He also thinks the minimum wage for young people should be cut, £10 per hour but don't tax the wealthy

Gold bullion promoter you say?

And Tice is promoting cuts to transport for SEN children.

In what way was it awful? I couldn't stomach watching it.

So a lot of the measures Farage is pushing will harm the ordinary people he claims to represent. Is that cohort of his supporters taking note?

Looks like the flagshaggers may have prevented the Christmas lights going up

https://www.harrietshamparishcouncil.gov.uk/community/harrietsham-parish-council-13454/home/

Polls are showing that young people are largely not voting Reform so no need to appeal to them.

Just been catching up on the news. A racist on another thread said you never got mass knife rampagers called things like Dave <insert typical UK surname> . Well well well, don't they now look very stupid indeed.

That’s interesting. It doesn’t specify who will/should be taking them down. Our Council is very clear that climbing up ladders to take flags down is not permitted (long and outing backstory to how I know!). So are KCC saying they will remove the flags, that the Parish Council contractor putting up the lights should do it, or that the flagshagging twats who put them there need to remove them?

If he can pull Britain out of the ECHR, what laws will enforce these "contracts" you speak of ?

Remember, parliament is supreme. I can do whatever it likes.

I didn't watch it. Why would I do that?

Presumably they have parents and are still living at home.

Surely contractual law isn’t dependent on the ECHR? Anyway he’s still a lying toad to say he’s already doing it. And he’s ensured that nobody with any connection to the public sector would vote for him.

Surely contractual law isn’t dependent on the ECHR?

All law in Britain is dependent on parliament. Parliament is supreme and can pass whatever laws it likes. These laws may - or may not - conflict with previous laws and treaties. If a new law does contravene a previous law or treaty then all courts are obliged to respect that and act accordingly.

A good example of this is the Withdrawal Agreement the UK signed with the EU broke the 1801 Act of Union regarding the governance of (Northern) Ireland. Staunch Brexiteer and fuckwit of the century Kate Hoey actually took the government to court over this. In which a judge said "Yes, it does breach the 1801 treaty. So what ?" and she had to very quietly go back to remembering that despite the bollocks she had been selling Brexit on, UK parliament was supreme. Had always been supreme. And indeed will never not be supreme.

So returning to pensions, there is nothing to stop parliament passing a law saying "All pensions are null and void". Job done.

Now whether there is a realistic possibility for that to happen is another question. But please be under no illusion, if it happened, it would take a violent revolution to stop it.

Maybe the concept of "Henry VIII powers" rings a bell ?

One good thing Farage has done, is roll back on his tax cutting pledges, now they are "aspirational"
Cutting Benefits, attacking pensions...

Basically nothing between Reform and the Tories.

All they have is immigration and as we get nearer to a GE, those policies will fall apart too, as they've started too.

The Express is unimpressed

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/2129259/fantasist-farage-plays-thatcher-attlee