Which accent adds an extra r sound to drawing?

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So that it sounds like drawring?

That’s all thank you. It’s annoying me that I can’t remember which accent it is.

TIA

A very easy example is the name Orla.

An Irish person will pronounce the r and say Orla, and most accents in England will say Awla. That's the difference between or and aw.

Somebody uptread linked a page re:suffixes and I think that is probably an explanation for the added r in some words in many English accents.

In relation to drawing, in most Irish accents there is no added r but sometimes the last g is dropped so it is draw-in(g)

Carol, Carol and Peril.

I am Scottish but I am not so insular that I think everyone speaks like me. I hear different accents all the time in everyday life and on TV, radio etc.

Imagine being so insular that you can't get your head around the fact that people on our little island say things in different ways.

Surely, if you're from Yorkshire, you don't drop the g. I'm from Sheffield and used to get ribbed when I moved to a southern university for the, as they saw it, exaggerated g sound at the end of -ing.

No. Like this, no extra w (which is what I think you’re suggesting, but apologies if I’ve that wrong).
https://forvo.com/word/drawing/

You’re right. It’s called an intrusive r and is common in many British accents. It’s adding an /r/ sound to words that end in an /or/ sound when they preceded a vowel.

Law and order
Doctor and nurse
I saw it.

Thats me!
I say Drawring and Drawing. Bit if a west country twang.

People simply can’t hear the difference, depending on their accent. My son couldn’t hear the difference between Woss and Ross. He needed to see it before his ear could discern it.

Most people aren’t aware of accents unless it’s a very unfamiliar one they struggle with. As soon as they become accustomed to it, they stop distinguishing the difference.

I think that’s why our dear late Queen spoke quite slowly. That leisurely upper class drawl allows time for one word to finish before the next begins. Like printing. Most accents are more like cursive, with things squished together or glanced over in the rush.

I've never noticed before at all, but I'm sat in bed practicing under my breath...
I think I say it with the 'or' sound but I'm not sure I can hear a difference in my own accent. DH has a Suffolk accent so I'll see what he reckons later.

When phonics is taught at school here, there's a few common exception words that are definitely easier to read and spell in different accents to here. Off the top of my head ask/arsk, any/eny, many/meny. I only noticed the any/many one recently listening to a podcast with someone Irish on it.

I’m Irish and for me the first syllable of Órla is oar, not or, though I believe it’s different in some parts of the country.
Certainly not aw though, there’s a definite r there!

I'm scouse and I say draw-ing. No r in the middle, no dropped g.

“Doctor and nurse’ is different, though, in that the ‘r’ is that the ‘r’ is there, but in a position at the end of a word where a non-rhotic accent wouldn’t usually pronounce it if saying ‘doctor’ alone, or ‘doctor’ at the end of a statement (‘Hello, Doctor’ or ‘I saw my doctor’). The ‘r’ is vocalised in ‘doctor and nurse’ because of the vowel sound of ‘and’ coming after it, in the same way that an ‘r’ is always pronounced by non-rhotic accents when followed by a vowel (eg arrogant).

Whereas in ‘intrusive’ or ‘epenthic’ r (also called ,/r/ sandhi’ by linguists, an ‘r’ sound that isn’t there at sl, is introduced to cover a hiatus between two adjacent sounds.

To whoever asked about whether the late queen used an intrusive r, there’s at least one study on it which I’ll see if I can find online.

ETA Here it is https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/journal-of-the-international-phonetic-association/article/rsandhi-in-the-speech-of-queen-elizabeth-ii/3E2AC05828E63A85E3C8420BB67D1A08

Yes! I was astounded to read on a thread recently that, in some accents, many isn’t simply man with an ee sound added, as it is in my accent (Irish). Must have heard people say meny on radio and tv a million times but never really noticed. Accents are great.

The r in ‘grarse’ for eg wouldn’t be pronounced I’m assuming though.

The ‘ar’ sound is a bit like when a doctor says ‘open your mouth and say ‘aah’’

So more like gr-aah-ss I think for a phonetic spelling, but to me graahss and grarse would sound identical

No idea what that posted twice

Whereas if I hear an Irish person say this on the radio, it's really obvious to me that it's different.

I wonder if it's because you're (probably?) hearing a lot more English voices than I am Irish.

My friend has a DD named Orla. I have never heard anyone call her Awla. It’s Or Lah. We are in Sussex.

I say draw-ing.

Just to say my favourite difference with the Irish accent to me, is how you pronounce however. It sounds like high-ever to my ears, and I don't know why I love it so much.

Thanks, you’re right. Is it called a linking r in the doctor and nurse example?

I grew up in the East Midlands and yes, draw-ring was pretty standard. After nearly fifty years living in the southeast, my r has disappeared!

It sounds like Awla to an Irish ear though.

Here’s an example of two Irish people saying Orla and the r is strongly pronounced. Ignore the older spelling of the name, it’s pronounced the same. The Australian speaker, on the other hand, doesn’t pronounce the r and the name sounds different (not Awla but O-la in this case). English people mostly say Orla so that it sounds like O-la or Aw-la to an Irish ear. It comes up in baby name threads a lot ☺️

https://forvo.com/word/orlaith/

This is so interesting.

I would say law and order. Not loranordah.

Dock ter and nerse. I pronounce the r at the end of doctor, but am familiar with doctah an nerse.

I saw it. No r sounds. Same as drawing 😊

I don't think it's as simple as being a regional accent thing. I know Liverpudlians that say draw-ring and with some it sounds like drorun', with the r's almost rolled, but others, including my family, would say drawing.

Fascinating. I definitely say it the same as the Irish example. The Australian barely utters the R.

My French accent is pretty good and I roll my Rs really well!!!