Which accent adds an extra r sound to drawing?

[SandalsAndSand]

So that it sounds like drawring?

That’s all thank you. It’s annoying me that I can’t remember which accent it is.

TIA

This is my favourite thread ever 😅
Accents fascinate me!

I say draw-ing.

But I’ve heard draw-ring on the BBC.

I’d say a Home counties thing?

It's somewhere at the back of my mouth, involving a light curling back of the tongue. Is my best attempt at description!!

There’s no w either- droing.
Like ‘being’, swap the ‘be’ for ‘dr-awe’.

Is drawer two syllables or one, though?! I’m a one syllable for drawer, no intrusive r for drawing kind of person.

Intrusive r happens between vowels, so the name Anna Anderson would be AnnaRAnderson. It’s not easy to say without the R. It’s about keeping the mouth open between the words.

I feel like drawer is a totally different word that just happens to have a silent r - rhymes with roar. Drawing to me has a very strong w in it (and no r).

To make the r, your teeth come together at the front.

DS had speech therapy for the r/w confusion. All she needed to do was show him in a mirror.

Look in a mirror for ring and wing. Pull your lips back slightly on the ring so you can see. You can smile and say ring, you can’t smile and say wing!

I can get the r into these words with effort, but totally sound Scouse. I can't do it with anything approaching a southern accent.

Droing sounds like boing surely?

There's an almost inaudible glottal stop between ‘draw’ and ‘ing’. Irish.

Well, no, given that ‘drorwing’ appears to contain a second r as well 🤣

But surely those of you who are ‘intrusive r’ speakers must have heard people with different accents on tv or whatever? That’s what I always find weird about these threads — not the differences in pronunciation, but the kind of wide-eyed inability to accept or comprehend them.

You say the w? That’s unusual. Dr-awe-wing? Or dr-awe-ing?
Most people say drawe-ing or drawe-ring.

Draw and drawer sound alike for many people. But I think rhotic accents pronounce the ‘er’ so it’s two syllables.

I completely agree with your last sentence especially regarding wing. I do an almost kiss motion to say it.

But my teeth definitely don't come together for the r, it happens much further back in my mouth.

Not o as in open, or o and in drop, but o as in ‘ought’. It’s hard to write the sound without using an r or a w which would confuse the w/r conversation!

I could have done drough-ing but that could be almost anything!

I can’t get my head around that one 🤣

If you say a word beginning with w (for example, walrus), do you pucker up somewhat for the w?
Because that's what I do in the middle of drawing. I feel like there's a lot more facial movement for me than what most people are describing. This kind of stuff must be a nightmare for lipreaders.

Oh of course it's a mistake. It's not a feature of an accent. There is no r sound at all. I say draw-wing. R doesn't make a w sound unless you roll your rs like Jonathon Ross.

I have a friend who is broadest Wakefield and she definitely doesn’t add an r. She says “drawwing”, with a short a.

I’m with you! The inserted R sounds common to me too!

I can’t imagine our late Queen saying “come into the draw ring room” It’s drawing room. No additional letters or sounds required.

I wouldn’t say loranorder either. It would make me feel like I was on Eastenders.

Can you do it without closing your mouth a bit though? My teeth don’t totally close (because I’m not doing speech therapy) but they touch my lower lip, or slide past each other.
Try a word like carry.

I suppose we are all on the line between barely enunciating the r, and the full rhotic r in every case!

Yorkshire and say “draw-in”

Me too, on all.counts. I'm astounded there are so many adding an extra r. It's not a word I hear often.

That’s interesting! I don’t, but can see how you would!

Mine is a bit of a stiff upper lip accent though- so my lips move less than a lot of people’s.
Some accents come with really mobile faces- Lancashire, I think? Others are a bit more ventriloquist!

Thanks for that - it's interesting. In a similar way, we can add a 'y' sound between vowels, so 'the orange' or 'the accident' become 'theeYorange' or 'theeYaccident'. I've noticed some people keep the 'the' short and pronounce it 'thu' and leave a gap between the words to say 'thu orange' and 'thu accident'. This sounds awkward to my ears.

My lips and teeth seem to barely move for carry, they just stay a few mm open.

Anything with a w though, makes me pout. If I say what, where, why, you'd be forgiven for thinking I was blowing kisses! And that action happens in the middle of drawing.

On the ‘mistake’ issue, while I admit I personally find ‘drawring’ or ‘Kafkaresque’ mildly irritating (as I do pronouncing ‘sixth’ as ‘sickth’), the Wiki entry on ‘intrusive r’ quotes a linguist as saying in the 90s that it could by then objectively be regarded as part of RP even though it was ‘disapproved of by the speech-conscious’.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LinkingandintrusiveR