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Labour isn't working - Thread 15

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TheNuthatch · 26/10/2025 09:59

A chat thread for those who don't like this Labour government.

The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.

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SpaceRaccoon · 27/10/2025 14:49

Btw does anyone have any good recommendations of people to follow on X who are knowledgeble on economics? Might be good to get my feed a bit more diverse than people screaming at each other about trans and Gaza, which is somehow where I've ended up.

AbsentosaurusRex · 27/10/2025 14:51

SpaceRaccoon · 27/10/2025 14:49

Btw does anyone have any good recommendations of people to follow on X who are knowledgeble on economics? Might be good to get my feed a bit more diverse than people screaming at each other about trans and Gaza, which is somehow where I've ended up.

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On we got the SC judgement, I’ve stopped following most of the gender woo bollocks. Just dip into FWR now and then, to read the sensible news.

EasternStandard · 27/10/2025 14:52

NoWordForFluffy · 27/10/2025 14:39

To an extent, last sold price on the Land Reg, I imagine. Then extrapolating that out to similar houses without recent sales data.

Last sold price? So not those who sold ages ago. Or they’ll look at recent price sale and whack it on everyone nearby?

Interested in this thread?

Then you might like threads about this subject:

AbsentosaurusRex · 27/10/2025 14:53

Gary’s economics is decent, you may or may not share his views.

Trigonometry often touches on the economy and always talks sense!

The YouTube link I put in the thread earlier , AL in the uk atm. Well worth listening to.

NoWordForFluffy · 27/10/2025 14:55

EasternStandard · 27/10/2025 14:52

Last sold price? So not those who sold ages ago. Or they’ll look at recent price sale and whack it on everyone nearby?

However they do it, it'll be a pig's ear, rest assured.

Nolletimiere · 27/10/2025 14:56

Legolava · 27/10/2025 14:46

Plus how much of that is debt. A huge difference between someone who has a mortgage and one who does not.

Yes, but I am not sure they will give two shits.

Let’s say you are an elderly ‘asset rich, cash poor’ person who cannot find the xx thousand per annum, they will probably place a first charge on your home. This is HMRC we are talking about.

If you are leveraged meanwhile, because you bought post-pandemic on a high multiple, you run the risk of breaching covenants - if there is a correction at that level.

Look at the YTD performance of listed estate agents and some house builders.

Once again, Labour don’t care about the negative impact they have on people.

Nolletimiere · 27/10/2025 14:58

They are already looking at imposing higher taxes on ‘SUV’s’ - they will go after luxury goods next.

This is what we are dealing with.

Legolava · 27/10/2025 14:58

Nolletimiere · 27/10/2025 14:56

Yes, but I am not sure they will give two shits.

Let’s say you are an elderly ‘asset rich, cash poor’ person who cannot find the xx thousand per annum, they will probably place a first charge on your home. This is HMRC we are talking about.

If you are leveraged meanwhile, because you bought post-pandemic on a high multiple, you run the risk of breaching covenants - if there is a correction at that level.

Look at the YTD performance of listed estate agents and some house builders.

Once again, Labour don’t care about the negative impact they have on people.

I fear you are right.

Legolava · 27/10/2025 15:01

Nolletimiere · 27/10/2025 14:58

They are already looking at imposing higher taxes on ‘SUV’s’ - they will go after luxury goods next.

This is what we are dealing with.

It all just seems so spiteful. Done well? You can’t have that. We need to tax it and take it away. I am such a fan of levelling up. I would say, despite challenges, there are really good opportunities to level up in this country. Or there were.

It all seems to be about keeping the working in their place, unless they are MPs of course. Whilst bribing recipients of state such as pensioners and welfare claimants to keep voting.

Spiteful is the only way I can describe it.

Nolletimiere · 27/10/2025 15:02

Legolava · 27/10/2025 14:58

I fear you are right.

I think I am.

It’s their nature - wait for the terrible headlines when an elderly person is hounded. It’s inevitable.

No unions or backbenchers will protect those with such assets - that’s the difference.

Until the remaining ‘middle’ take to the streets, nothing will change.

InterestQ · 27/10/2025 15:10

https://www.landlordtoday.co.uk/breaking-news/2025/10/labour-senior-says-im-not-a-landlord-despite-10000-rent-income/

there is a telegraph article that sets it out better - Lucy Powell has another MP as a lodger and that MP pays the rent with taxpayer money. All
within the rules.

I’m trying to think how I’d feel if Jenrick took a room with Badenoch and used the expenses thing to pay her.

I still don’t think I’d like it.

Teleg says “Figures obtained by The Daily Mail reveal that a string of MPs are continuing to rent out properties to each other despite the parliamentary pay watchdog promising to review the practice more than a decade ago.
Ipsa refused to identify the MPs on the basis that “disclosing the names would have a substantial likelihood of attracting the interest of those with malicious intent who wish to cause harm”, but the Mail revealed that Ms Powell was among them.
The watchdog said this year that it would “no longer permit MPs to rent accommodation from other MPs using Ipsa funding”.”

Labour senior says “I’m not a landlord” despite rental income - Landlord Today

Lucy Powell has been interviewed in The Big Issue – Labour senior says “I’m not a landlord” despite rental income

https://www.landlordtoday.co.uk/breaking-news/2025/10/labour-senior-says-im-not-a-landlord-despite-10000-rent-income/

Nolletimiere · 27/10/2025 15:12

InterestQ · 27/10/2025 15:10

https://www.landlordtoday.co.uk/breaking-news/2025/10/labour-senior-says-im-not-a-landlord-despite-10000-rent-income/

there is a telegraph article that sets it out better - Lucy Powell has another MP as a lodger and that MP pays the rent with taxpayer money. All
within the rules.

I’m trying to think how I’d feel if Jenrick took a room with Badenoch and used the expenses thing to pay her.

I still don’t think I’d like it.

Teleg says “Figures obtained by The Daily Mail reveal that a string of MPs are continuing to rent out properties to each other despite the parliamentary pay watchdog promising to review the practice more than a decade ago.
Ipsa refused to identify the MPs on the basis that “disclosing the names would have a substantial likelihood of attracting the interest of those with malicious intent who wish to cause harm”, but the Mail revealed that Ms Powell was among them.
The watchdog said this year that it would “no longer permit MPs to rent accommodation from other MPs using Ipsa funding”.”

We could use another Labour scandal now - another ‘Rayner’ would do.

upseedaisee · 27/10/2025 15:14

InterestQ · 27/10/2025 15:10

https://www.landlordtoday.co.uk/breaking-news/2025/10/labour-senior-says-im-not-a-landlord-despite-10000-rent-income/

there is a telegraph article that sets it out better - Lucy Powell has another MP as a lodger and that MP pays the rent with taxpayer money. All
within the rules.

I’m trying to think how I’d feel if Jenrick took a room with Badenoch and used the expenses thing to pay her.

I still don’t think I’d like it.

Teleg says “Figures obtained by The Daily Mail reveal that a string of MPs are continuing to rent out properties to each other despite the parliamentary pay watchdog promising to review the practice more than a decade ago.
Ipsa refused to identify the MPs on the basis that “disclosing the names would have a substantial likelihood of attracting the interest of those with malicious intent who wish to cause harm”, but the Mail revealed that Ms Powell was among them.
The watchdog said this year that it would “no longer permit MPs to rent accommodation from other MPs using Ipsa funding”.”

Colour me cynical, but isn't it all a bit convenient that this story runs now and the one MP singled out and named is the one MP who could do the most damage to Starmer et al? Makes you wonder what else is coming down the line. (rubs hands with glee)

Nolletimiere · 27/10/2025 15:17

upseedaisee · 27/10/2025 15:14

Colour me cynical, but isn't it all a bit convenient that this story runs now and the one MP singled out and named is the one MP who could do the most damage to Starmer et al? Makes you wonder what else is coming down the line. (rubs hands with glee)

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Good point.

Hopefully the DT/DM are sitting on some proper material, just waiting for it to ripen.

upseedaisee · 27/10/2025 15:24

It's like when Pat Mcfadden rented a house in his constituency that was next door to the house he owned. So he claimed £40,000 rent and mortgage interest relief at the expense of the tax payer. He rented out his own house and pocketed that money too. All this was done just one month before rules changed to stop mortage interest relief. All totally within the rules. and as stinky as a rotting haddock, being within the rules doesn't make it right or moral.

Upstartled · 27/10/2025 15:58

InterestQ · 27/10/2025 15:10

https://www.landlordtoday.co.uk/breaking-news/2025/10/labour-senior-says-im-not-a-landlord-despite-10000-rent-income/

there is a telegraph article that sets it out better - Lucy Powell has another MP as a lodger and that MP pays the rent with taxpayer money. All
within the rules.

I’m trying to think how I’d feel if Jenrick took a room with Badenoch and used the expenses thing to pay her.

I still don’t think I’d like it.

Teleg says “Figures obtained by The Daily Mail reveal that a string of MPs are continuing to rent out properties to each other despite the parliamentary pay watchdog promising to review the practice more than a decade ago.
Ipsa refused to identify the MPs on the basis that “disclosing the names would have a substantial likelihood of attracting the interest of those with malicious intent who wish to cause harm”, but the Mail revealed that Ms Powell was among them.
The watchdog said this year that it would “no longer permit MPs to rent accommodation from other MPs using Ipsa funding”.”

🤣 Lol @ we don't want to name any names because of the harm it might cause but, <cough> Lucy Powell is one. Is Starmer putting out his own press releases now?

DancingFerret · 27/10/2025 16:54

I'm watching Lammy and Jenrick going head to head in the HoC about Kebatu; Jenrick just referred to Lammy as "Calamity Lammy". Name-calling belongs in the playground, but it's hard not to agree with Jenrick on this one.

MantleStatue · 27/10/2025 17:22

NoWordForFluffy · 27/10/2025 14:39

To an extent, last sold price on the Land Reg, I imagine. Then extrapolating that out to similar houses without recent sales data.

Yes this. Zoopla is laughably hilarious on this (but may come in useful). It does exactly this, yet does not take into consideration things like loft and basement conversions, renewed kitchens etc.

So perhaps they propose an army of council workers going in to each and every house tto 'value' it.

EasternStandard · 27/10/2025 17:31

MantleStatue · 27/10/2025 17:22

Yes this. Zoopla is laughably hilarious on this (but may come in useful). It does exactly this, yet does not take into consideration things like loft and basement conversions, renewed kitchens etc.

So perhaps they propose an army of council workers going in to each and every house tto 'value' it.

If someone was hitting me up for £10k on a bogus valuation I’d want some proof I owed it.

Lutonsgirl · 27/10/2025 17:38

SpaceRaccoon · 27/10/2025 14:49

Btw does anyone have any good recommendations of people to follow on X who are knowledgeble on economics? Might be good to get my feed a bit more diverse than people screaming at each other about trans and Gaza, which is somehow where I've ended up.

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I follow these two economists dr Gérard lyons and Liam halligen

GasPanic · 27/10/2025 18:12

EasternStandard · 27/10/2025 14:36

Yep. Plus how do they propose knowing the value of a property?

I did suggest that they should put an extra levy on council tax, starting at maybe D @ 0.25% and increasing. Or they could just put a flat sum in per band.

Then long term they could a) revalue for council tax and b) put in more bands at higher rates, so split the top band.

The council tax banding at the moment is far from perfect but probably the best thing we have under the circumstances for implementing a property tax quickly.

However if they decide it is a "mansion tax" then the current council banding probably lacks discrimination over the values it is likely to apply to.

AbsentosaurusRex · 27/10/2025 18:13

A lot of people are making a lot of money from this laughable ‘net zero’ bullshit.

Nolletimiere · 27/10/2025 18:22

Here we go - buckle up.

FT - forgive format.

Chancellor Rachel Reeves is set to be hit by a bigger than expected downgrade to official UK productivity forecasts in the Budget, which analysts believe could deliver a blow to the public finances of more than £20bn. The Office for Budget Responsibility is expected to cut its trend productivity growth forecast by about 0.3 percentage points, according to people familiar with the matter, increasing the prospect of big tax rises, including income tax. The Institute for Fiscal Studies think-tank has said that each 0.1 percentage point downgrade in the productivity forecast would increase public sector net borrowing by £7bn in 2029-30, so a 0.3 point cut could create a £21bn hit. Analysts had expected a downgrade of between 0.1 and 0.2 percentage points to the UK fiscal watchdog’s trend productivity outlook, meaning a lower hit of £7bn-£14bn under the IFS calculation. Analysts have widely been predicting a total fiscal hole of £20bn to £30bn, based on those previous estimates. The larger-than-expected downgrade would on its own increase the size of that hole, but the final number could be offset by a range of other figures. Reeves on Monday admitted that Britain’s productivity record had been “very poor”, blaming the fallout on the financial crash and Brexit. The chancellor’s allies say the previous Conservative government should be held responsible. One Labour official said there was “fury” in Number 10 and the Treasury that the OBR has decided to deliver the downgrade now, rather than before the 2024 general election. The absence of an earlier OBR downgrade helped former Tory chancellor Jeremy Hunt slash taxes by about £20bn in two rounds of reductions before polling day. Reeves said on Monday: “Our independent forecaster is likely to downgrade the forecast for productivity in the UK, based not on anything this government has done but on our past productivity numbers, which, to be honest, since the financial crisis and Brexit, have been very poor.” The downgrade increases the likelihood that the chancellor will be forced to breach Labour’s election manifesto pledge on tax, with speculation growing that an income tax increase is looming on November 26. Reeves’ Spring Statement in March left her with just £9.9bn of headroom against her key fiscal rule, leaving her badly exposed to productivity downgrades by the OBR, which had been long expected. Productivity has been weak since the financial crisis as a result of a range of factors including sluggish investment growth and policy uncertainty. The OBR currently predicts that trend productivity growth will reach nearly 1.3 per cent by the final year of its forecast in 2029. The OBR has delivered two internal forecasts to the chancellor so far, with a final “pre-measures” outlook set to land on Friday. The Treasury and the OBR were approached for comment. The chancellor said on Monday she wanted to increase the headroom in her Budget to “make sure we have resilience against future shocks”. Treasury officials have told City figures it could be at least doubled. If Reeves chose to increase her headroom by £10bn and then had to find a further £25bn or so because of the productivity downgrade, that would blow a massive hole in the public finances. The chancellor will also have to find £5bn following the abandonment of planned welfare cuts, while Labour MPs are demanding the end of the two-child benefit cap, at a cost of more than £3.5bn. Reeves expects that the OBR will factor in good news, such as lower borrowing costs and faster than expected growth, to reduce the final fiscal gap. She also hopes that growth-friendly policies such as trade deals and planning reforms will also be “scored” positively. The chancellor said she hoped she would be able to get agreement on a UK trade deal with the six Gulf Cooperation Council countries “very soon”. Britain has already reached agreements with the EU, US and India. Reeves is widely expected to extend an existing freeze on personal tax thresholds in the Budget, raising close to £10bn a year, but government officials have privately admitted that a fiscal gap of £30bn or more could put an income tax rise “on the table”. An increase to the basic rate of income tax by 1p would raise more than £8bn a year in 2028-29, according to HM Revenue & Customs. A 1p increase to the higher rate of tax would lift revenue by £2.1bn, while a 1p boost to the additional, 45p rate, would raise £230mn. Treasury officials said no tax decisions had been taken and Reeves has previously said that Labour’s manifesto commitments “stand”.

Rivalled · 27/10/2025 18:25

Interesting on abolishing stamp duty on shares to help FTSE from Dan Neidle - no sign of Labour listening to him though he seems out in the cold:

The British Isa is a particularly bad idea

www.thetimes.com/article/f5386a2b-9922-465a-bfba-724809c62c42?shareToken=97a0e57e40a32fcc6bebb7538e5001b1

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