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If Starmer and Reeves fuck this budget, Labour will be out of power for ANOTHER generation.

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Ozgirl76 · 15/10/2025 06:20

I was hopeful when Labour came into power - I hoped a calm sensible bunch of economic policies that would help to level things out a bit was on the cards and given that they had so long to prepare, I assumed they would spring into action and at least have some plans.

But now I’m just reading more articles about the huge swing towards Reform and I can’t believe it’s coming to this.

I actually live in Australia but I run a business in the U.K. and we have just had a second term of a very boring and sensible labour government over here who aren’t fixing things yet but they aren’t actively making things worse and I just think, it is possible to have a Labour government who don’t actively hate the richer people, but also are trying to work towards a more equal society.

What do you think is causing the main swing towards the right? Is it all the immigration stuff? Surely that can’t be everything?

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Screwyoudavid · 15/10/2025 06:30

I think people are just pissed with the general state of the country and are blaming immigrants because it is easy to.

I listen a lot to Gary Stevenson, he seems to talk a lot of sense with fact rather than thinking any Government coming into power have a magic wand.

www.instagram.com/garyseconomics/

Freysimo · 15/10/2025 06:41

I live in Wales and didn't vote Labour (Welsh Labour been in power here for eons and total shambles) but after the mess the Conservatives made I wasn't sorry to see Labour win in Westminster. Let's give them a go I thought, they must have some new ideas after so many years out of government. I was totally wrong and can't wait to see them out. Keir Starmer is the worst pm in my lifetime (long). The only one of the Cabinet I could get behind is Wes Streeting, the rest are useless and their inexperience shows. Praying that somehow there's an early election.

hamstersarse · 15/10/2025 07:02

This lot are just actually incompetent

Economically, morally, functionally.

The current China spy case is the epitome of their morally bankrupt incompetence

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IstillloveKingThistle · 15/10/2025 07:04

hamstersarse · 15/10/2025 07:02

This lot are just actually incompetent

Economically, morally, functionally.

The current China spy case is the epitome of their morally bankrupt incompetence

At last… someone who has sense.

👍 👏

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Ozgirl76 · 15/10/2025 07:11

It’s worrying in a way - they had SO long to come up with plans and just haven’t - it makes you wonder if the U.K. is so far gone it can’t be pulled back.

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TeenagersAngst · 15/10/2025 07:12

OP, your point that ‘I assumed they would spring into action and at least have some plans’ is the key point.

Many commentators have observed since the election that this seems to be the root cause of Labour’s problems - they didn’t plan for power adequately when in opposition. They seemed to think that simply not being the Tories was all that mattered.

Of course, opposition parties don’t have access to all the information they might want or need however it is possible to do a lot of legwork. While the Tories got plenty wrong, their record in educational attainment is good (data supports this although the Left always challenge this) and this was achieved by years of planning before they took power in 2010.

hamstersarse · 15/10/2025 07:18

I remember Jimmy Carr saying about Kier Starmer “An Asda in Wolverhampton is missing its manager”

That is the perfect description of where he should be - Managing an Asda. Not even a superstore one, more the local one.

He is so over promoted it is impossible to understand the trajectory of what got him here.

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Ozgirl76 · 15/10/2025 07:23

i never expected them to right the ship overnight. But it would have just been so nice to have a coherent, costed, 5 year plan. They’ve got access to other countries, they can see what
works and what doesn’t in different places.

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HRTQueen · 15/10/2025 07:24

hamstersarse · 15/10/2025 07:18

I remember Jimmy Carr saying about Kier Starmer “An Asda in Wolverhampton is missing its manager”

That is the perfect description of where he should be - Managing an Asda. Not even a superstore one, more the local one.

He is so over promoted it is impossible to understand the trajectory of what got him here.

Have you forgotten who was leading the party before Starmer

HRTQueen · 15/10/2025 07:31

You can’t just change direction by basing the countries policies on other countries and expect changes will happen in 15 months

the country was in a terrible mess for years before Labour came to power years of underfunding, the terrible mess and cost of Brexit

Kulwinder54 · 15/10/2025 07:36

They will 100% f up the budget because they have zero understanding of basic economics, id say even mathematics.

Kulwinder54 · 15/10/2025 07:36

They will 100% f up the budget because they have zero understanding of basic economics, id say even mathematics.

ByQuaintAzureWasp · 15/10/2025 07:38

Technically most of us who pay tax have been paying more taxes year on year anyway due to the static tax thresholds.
If Laura starts expecting OAPs to pay NI in addition to income tax I hope we have some form of civil protest ... its beyond belief if it happens.
Surely the most sensible thi g would be to raise vat by 1p ... everybody contributes then,not just a section of society.

MasterMind1982 · 15/10/2025 07:44

Sorry to say as I’m from a life long Labour Party family - that I’m actually horrified. These guys have been disgraceful - beyond bad. This budget has to right so many wrongs.

Even as a lifelong Labour supporter I have been frustrated by the headline grabbing stuff (eg VAT on school fees) which have been pointless, caused more distress and more pressure on state schools that the other way round and actually cost the country money. The Welfare reform backlash and internal rebellion, the
Internal tensions – suspending MPs who rebelled on the two-child benefit cap has left a lot of bad blood inside the party.

Rayner’s downfall - Starmer is just incompetent.

user927464 · 15/10/2025 07:45

I'm not a labour voter but Keir Starmer is actually a clever man and a good lawyer. The problem is that he is not being permitted to change anything. Labour is a party which is so controlled by the unions and so heavily populated by those who have been used to shouting angrily about taking those who have any level of wealth (including the entire middle class which make up a very large proportion of the voting population), that it is proving very difficult to break away from this.

They got off to a fairly promising start with benefit reforms, winter fuel etc but then have backtracked on everything that could make a difference to getting us back on track.

ErrolTheDragon · 15/10/2025 07:50

HRTQueen · 15/10/2025 07:31

You can’t just change direction by basing the countries policies on other countries and expect changes will happen in 15 months

the country was in a terrible mess for years before Labour came to power years of underfunding, the terrible mess and cost of Brexit

Yes, and although I’m no fan of this labour government, swinging over to be led by the man who more than anyone dealt us the blow of Brexit (and then buggered off without doing anything useful) would be disastrous. Reform says things it wants to happen but has no idea how to practically make those things happen (probably because they’re impossible). Splashy headline followed days or weeks later by, er well maybe we can’t do that is fine in a party of opposition and provocation but will be worse than an Asda store manager for running a country.

GentleSheep · 15/10/2025 08:00

Labour's performance has been abysmal. I voted for them and can't believe just how awful things are now, can't wait for them to go out of power, but I won't be voting Reform, I'll vote Advance UK.

Honestly this country is on the way down and there seems to be very little to stop its decline.

What do you think is causing the main swing towards the right? Is it all the immigration stuff? Surely that can’t be everything?

Not everything but it is a part of the puzzle. Also Farage is a smooth talker and he's yet again seducing people that he has the answer (he really doesn't).

HermioneWeasley · 15/10/2025 08:08

The Labour Party are inherently incapable of doing what needs to be done (not that the conservatives were doing it either). They are run by socialists and funded by the unions so they cannot do what’s needed.

a thought through tackling of public spending is needed rather than continuously raising taxes. Once growth is going then that money can be ploughed into better public services but as we they’ve got it the wrong way round and now the economy has ground to a halt and unemployment is on the rise.

take the thread on DLA spending. I genuinely want to live in a country where we do fund those things for disabled kids - trips to theme parks, horse riding, but right now we cannot afford it. I think the pay of many nurses and paramedics is a disgrace but again we have to grow the economy to meaningfully change that.

BurntBroccoli · 15/10/2025 08:15

Screwyoudavid · 15/10/2025 06:30

I think people are just pissed with the general state of the country and are blaming immigrants because it is easy to.

I listen a lot to Gary Stevenson, he seems to talk a lot of sense with fact rather than thinking any Government coming into power have a magic wand.

www.instagram.com/garyseconomics/

Yes I’ve been watching him too on YouTube- Gary’s economics. The meeting with the Green’s Zack Polanski was interesting and talked about inequality.

BurntBroccoli · 15/10/2025 08:19

HRTQueen · 15/10/2025 07:31

You can’t just change direction by basing the countries policies on other countries and expect changes will happen in 15 months

the country was in a terrible mess for years before Labour came to power years of underfunding, the terrible mess and cost of Brexit

I do think the WFP means testing was sensible - they shouldn’t have given in but I can see they were shocked by the vitriol on social media coming from Reform supporters (and their rich backers).

CrocsNotDocs · 15/10/2025 08:28

They’re an interesting lot. The hate the rich, but many of them are high income earners. They want to squeeze more blood out of a stone from the middle classes. As for the working class with their patriotism and concerns about unfettered illegal immigration, they hold them in dripping contempt.

Who do they actually stand for? They don’t stand up for British people, they certainly don’t stand up for British values as this is racist colonialism and they don’t apply justice consistently. What is their endgame?

TheCurious0range · 15/10/2025 08:31

hamstersarse · 15/10/2025 07:18

I remember Jimmy Carr saying about Kier Starmer “An Asda in Wolverhampton is missing its manager”

That is the perfect description of where he should be - Managing an Asda. Not even a superstore one, more the local one.

He is so over promoted it is impossible to understand the trajectory of what got him here.

😂 not even a superstore one

MidnightPatrol · 15/10/2025 08:39

ByQuaintAzureWasp · 15/10/2025 07:38

Technically most of us who pay tax have been paying more taxes year on year anyway due to the static tax thresholds.
If Laura starts expecting OAPs to pay NI in addition to income tax I hope we have some form of civil protest ... its beyond belief if it happens.
Surely the most sensible thi g would be to raise vat by 1p ... everybody contributes then,not just a section of society.

Why is it ‘beyond belief’ for pensioners to pay NI if they earn over the threshold?

I think it’s a bit of an anomaly that they pay less tax than workers, despite being vastly more expensive to the state.

TopPocketFind · 15/10/2025 08:43

Why would you vote Reform instead?

Their budget was compared to Truss on steroids
And they have already announced a u-turn on their 90bn tax cut pledge

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/10/13/farage-reform-uk-90bn-tax-cut-pledge/

ApathyCentral · 15/10/2025 08:46

Freysimo · 15/10/2025 06:41

I live in Wales and didn't vote Labour (Welsh Labour been in power here for eons and total shambles) but after the mess the Conservatives made I wasn't sorry to see Labour win in Westminster. Let's give them a go I thought, they must have some new ideas after so many years out of government. I was totally wrong and can't wait to see them out. Keir Starmer is the worst pm in my lifetime (long). The only one of the Cabinet I could get behind is Wes Streeting, the rest are useless and their inexperience shows. Praying that somehow there's an early election.

Snap! (Except not in wales)

I didn’t vote for them but was open to them. I figured the Tories needed a long ‘time out’ and of the options available Labour had a shot at being OK.

Then it became clear they had no ideas, and were still a bunch of infighting student politicians. I’m so, so disappointed.