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Immigration and the green party

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Honeybunny75 · 10/10/2025 11:00

I've always voted green,but probably not really looked as closely as I should of done at their policies.
They are saying they want a world with open borders .
I was just looking at their immigration policy.
How will that work, welcoming anyone who wants to come here ,how will that work when there's no houses to put them in .
I read recently that a huge amount of brits are homeless and in temporary accommodation waiting for a home ..so I can't see how we can take endless people in ...much as we may want to house the whole world,we are a small island

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ShesTheAlbatross · 10/10/2025 11:04

But do people really vote for the Green Party because they think their policies are practical and workable? They won’t be anywhere near power, so if you vote for them you’re either just making a point (which I think is valid, if you care about those issues it helps the greens to be able to say “we got X% of the popular vote, so people care about these issues”), or you’re hoping for maybe one or two MPs (which I also think is valid because they can provide a voice in parliament on the issues that presumably that voter cares about).

I never thought anyone voted for them because they’d read through the manifesto and thought “yes, this all looks like it will work fantastically well in practice”.

Honeybunny75 · 10/10/2025 11:07

They are also talking about getting rid of landlords,..how would that happen.
I guess that would free up ,more houses .

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Honeybunny75 · 10/10/2025 11:10

ShesTheAlbatross · 10/10/2025 11:04

But do people really vote for the Green Party because they think their policies are practical and workable? They won’t be anywhere near power, so if you vote for them you’re either just making a point (which I think is valid, if you care about those issues it helps the greens to be able to say “we got X% of the popular vote, so people care about these issues”), or you’re hoping for maybe one or two MPs (which I also think is valid because they can provide a voice in parliament on the issues that presumably that voter cares about).

I never thought anyone voted for them because they’d read through the manifesto and thought “yes, this all looks like it will work fantastically well in practice”.

Yes exactly,that's what I'm guilty of ,not reading through their policies properly.or maybe they have recently changed them .
I really don't remember at the last main election them saying anything about open borders

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Absentosaur · 10/10/2025 11:10

Also money. Who is going to pay the taxes to pay for for the millions of people who come to the uk for their better life?

The Greens ruined Brighton (only leading the council for 4 years), and they’d ruin the uk if they ever got close to any kind of power. They have no idea about economics.

Please do not vote Green.

*they also think some women have penises. Women’s rights therefore, simply don’t exist to them (because if men can be women, women as a sex don’t exist after all). They’re like Labour. But even worse.

Honeybunny75 · 10/10/2025 11:11

Absentosaur · 10/10/2025 11:10

Also money. Who is going to pay the taxes to pay for for the millions of people who come to the uk for their better life?

The Greens ruined Brighton (only leading the council for 4 years), and they’d ruin the uk if they ever got close to any kind of power. They have no idea about economics.

Please do not vote Green.

*they also think some women have penises. Women’s rights therefore, simply don’t exist to them (because if men can be women, women as a sex don’t exist after all). They’re like Labour. But even worse.

I don't know anything about Brighton,he did they ruin it ?

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Absentosaur · 10/10/2025 11:14

Honeybunny75 · 10/10/2025 11:11

I don't know anything about Brighton,he did they ruin it ?

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/brighton-rock-bottom-how-the-greens-nearly-destroyed-the-city-i-love/

Somehow we managed to achieve one of the lowest recycling rates in England – 29 per cent whereas the national average is around 45 per cent. The pathetic and pointless British Airways i360 tower, opened in 2016, cost a fortune and is barely used. The decrepit West Pier once stood out; for the past decade it has fitted in perfectly as the city became a ghost of itself. When the Royal Albion Hotel burned down last month, it was found to be full of asbestos, making Brighton literally as well as figuratively toxic at the height of the tourist season.

Now the smoke has cleared and the future looks brighter. The Greens were sentimental sadists when they were in charge: sweet words smeared over actions of cruelty and callousness.

A friend who moved to Stockholm told me: ‘The UK Greens seem to use ecology as an excuse to ruin people’s lives while the Swedes make the green thing about enhancing people’s lives.’ She’s right.

Brighton rock bottom: How the Greens nearly destroyed the city I love

Brighton and Hove is one of the few places in the country to have been run by a Green Council. Here's how they nearly destroyed the place

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/brighton-rock-bottom-how-the-greens-nearly-destroyed-the-city-i-love/

Honeybunny75 · 10/10/2025 11:14

I'm a bit of a social media addict,and since the new leader of the green party got in ,I seem to be getting lots of posts about green , saying they are in with a chance and if reform can do so well in such a short space of time ,so can green ,and social media is the way forward ..so initially I was pleased ,untill I started reading through some policies ..I just can't see how the policies would work

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TheAlwaysThereButNeverUsedCeilingLights · 10/10/2025 11:26

Honeybunny75 · 10/10/2025 11:07

They are also talking about getting rid of landlords,..how would that happen.
I guess that would free up ,more houses .

There are plenty of houses for sale where I am even in cheap brackets.
Problem is not not enough houses for sale, problem is deposit etc.
Getting rid of landlords will simply make crapton of people homeless and lits of properties empty

Honeybunny75 · 10/10/2025 11:26

Absentosaur · 10/10/2025 11:14

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/brighton-rock-bottom-how-the-greens-nearly-destroyed-the-city-i-love/

Somehow we managed to achieve one of the lowest recycling rates in England – 29 per cent whereas the national average is around 45 per cent. The pathetic and pointless British Airways i360 tower, opened in 2016, cost a fortune and is barely used. The decrepit West Pier once stood out; for the past decade it has fitted in perfectly as the city became a ghost of itself. When the Royal Albion Hotel burned down last month, it was found to be full of asbestos, making Brighton literally as well as figuratively toxic at the height of the tourist season.

Now the smoke has cleared and the future looks brighter. The Greens were sentimental sadists when they were in charge: sweet words smeared over actions of cruelty and callousness.

A friend who moved to Stockholm told me: ‘The UK Greens seem to use ecology as an excuse to ruin people’s lives while the Swedes make the green thing about enhancing people’s lives.’ She’s right.

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Interesting article thanks for the link

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Honeybunny75 · 10/10/2025 11:28

Some thing else I read recently
Was that in the 70s and early 80s ,most people lived in council houses ,not homes they bought .
I don't know what the numbers of that are
So I guess conservatives really sold off a lot of houses

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MaturingCheeseball · 10/10/2025 11:39

They should be prosecuted under the Trades Descriptions Act for calling themselves “Green”.

They no longer give a fig about the environment - I don’t think the leader mentioned it in his keynote conference speech.

If they called themselves the Extreme Anti-Establishment Party & Fan of All Causes du Jour that would be more honest.

TheSandgroper · 10/10/2025 12:15

Well, in Australia, the Greens are now as crackpot as your lot. Labor are currently in government with a huge majority in the lower house. But, because we have preferential voting, a lot of their seats come from Green votes. But, in a number of inner city seats, Labor aren’t in competition for votes with the Liberal party, they are in competition with the Greens. And in the Senate, Labor can’t win a vote without Greens support so they must always keep them in mind when developing policies.

Labor in the UK will always have the Prime Minister - what the Greens want is the balance of power. Like the Lib Dems had a few years ago and like Reform want now in trying to wean votes from the Conservatives. An immense amount of influence for not much expense and not much opprobrium when a policy goes wrong.

As a Greens voter, you may find this a bit right wing but you may find some of your thoughts written down www.spiked-online.com/2025/10/10/why-the-greens-are-such-a-magnet-for-kooks-and-cranks/

Honeybunny75 · 10/10/2025 13:37

They do seem to be moving away from green issues

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EmeraldRoulette · 10/10/2025 17:39

Honeybunny75 · 10/10/2025 11:07

They are also talking about getting rid of landlords,..how would that happen.
I guess that would free up ,more houses .

@Honeybunny75 And who do you think is going to buy them, these houses that you think will be freed up?

If you want the whole rental economy run by big companies, or the state, then that's your choice of course

I'm always puzzled when people vote green but when I ask them about the policies, they don't seem to know what policies they are actually voting for. I'm not saying that you fall into that category, I'm simply saying that about people I've talked to - and I can't say I've encountered many green voters

I stopped asking about 20 years ago though, I never ask people about their politics now. I wouldn't ever have asked out of the blue, but I had a few colleagues who proudly announced they were voting back in the day, so I asked them why.

EmeraldRoulette · 10/10/2025 17:42

Also, I thought they always wanted open borders?

TeenagersAngst · 10/10/2025 17:44

OP, sounds like you don’t really know what your party of choice is all about. Beware of social media being your only information source. Zack Polanski has seen how Reform have used SM to gain a following and is copying. But he also talks a lot of student politics nonsense.

He wants to legalise all drugs (heroin included) and abolish landlords. Make it make sense?

floppybit · 10/10/2025 17:49

They want to legalise ALL drugs (think of the effect of legal fentanyl and crack on our communities)

Honeybunny75 · 10/10/2025 18:26

TeenagersAngst · 10/10/2025 17:44

OP, sounds like you don’t really know what your party of choice is all about. Beware of social media being your only information source. Zack Polanski has seen how Reform have used SM to gain a following and is copying. But he also talks a lot of student politics nonsense.

He wants to legalise all drugs (heroin included) and abolish landlords. Make it make sense?

No ,you are absolutely right ,I don't know the party ,at all.
Clearly not what I thought I was voting for

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Honeybunny75 · 10/10/2025 18:29

EmeraldRoulette · 10/10/2025 17:39

@Honeybunny75 And who do you think is going to buy them, these houses that you think will be freed up?

If you want the whole rental economy run by big companies, or the state, then that's your choice of course

I'm always puzzled when people vote green but when I ask them about the policies, they don't seem to know what policies they are actually voting for. I'm not saying that you fall into that category, I'm simply saying that about people I've talked to - and I can't say I've encountered many green voters

I stopped asking about 20 years ago though, I never ask people about their politics now. I wouldn't ever have asked out of the blue, but I had a few colleagues who proudly announced they were voting back in the day, so I asked them why.

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I'm vegan ,I assumed they would care about animal welfare more than other parties.
Definitely do not remember anything about open borders being part of the deal ,nor did I realise their view on women
Wonder if the party has changed somewhat of late ,maybe with the new leader

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EmeraldRoulette · 10/10/2025 19:00

@Honeybunny75 they have been like this for years and years, i've just been googling

don't need to Google to remember my fury at being labelled a non-man. I suppose it's technically true, but it's like they were offended by even saying the word "woman".

I was baffled when people voted for them 20 or 25 years ago and I continue to be baffled now. I still remember all the taxi expenses submitted for journeys across London that were a short hop by bus or tube. Green my arse! Those politicians can expense the taxis. Everyone else is priced out of using a car. That would be much worse under the Greens.

It's really important to actually check the policies of the people you're voting for!

EmeraldRoulette · 10/10/2025 19:05

I had to Google, who was The green party leader before Zach Polanski

Literally didn't have a clue

I just saw them as an irrelevance at that point

I only know about Zack because he's done a good video on social media. Obviously he didn't mention open doors on immigration, legalising all drugs. And then I found out about the abolishing landlords.

props to his PR team for that video, but I really hope people are actually looking at party policies before they vote.

Yamamm · 10/10/2025 19:09

Idealists. The most dangerous people.
And usually driven by spite and low self esteem. I would vote for a Green Party if it was focussed on progressive, sustainable and realistic solutions for human happiness. But genuinely altruistic politicians are vanishingly rare.

Honeybunny75 · 11/10/2025 05:23

EmeraldRoulette · 10/10/2025 19:05

I had to Google, who was The green party leader before Zach Polanski

Literally didn't have a clue

I just saw them as an irrelevance at that point

I only know about Zack because he's done a good video on social media. Obviously he didn't mention open doors on immigration, legalising all drugs. And then I found out about the abolishing landlords.

props to his PR team for that video, but I really hope people are actually looking at party policies before they vote.

Exactly,he keeps popping up on my tictok ,but no mention of open borders or anything to do with cars or landlords.
I know to avoid lib dems because of the chaos they are causing limiting cars in the nearest big city to me ,lots of £5 charges coming in

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Honeybunny75 · 11/10/2025 05:30

I am politically homeless
And I don't like it ,I need something to believe in ,to discuss,to aim for them getting in to power .
Not a nice feeling,if there was an election tomorrow,I don't think I'd be able to vote , because I have absolutely no idea who to vote for .
Can't vote reform, because I want to keep the NHS
Can't vote lib dem they have issues with motorists
Can't vote conservative in case they bring back fox hunting
Can't vote labour because they are trying to digitally control us
Can't vote green because of everything covered above plus they seem to hate cars as well
No other parties are in the running I don't think

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TeenagersAngst · 11/10/2025 07:41

Honeybunny75 · 11/10/2025 05:30

I am politically homeless
And I don't like it ,I need something to believe in ,to discuss,to aim for them getting in to power .
Not a nice feeling,if there was an election tomorrow,I don't think I'd be able to vote , because I have absolutely no idea who to vote for .
Can't vote reform, because I want to keep the NHS
Can't vote lib dem they have issues with motorists
Can't vote conservative in case they bring back fox hunting
Can't vote labour because they are trying to digitally control us
Can't vote green because of everything covered above plus they seem to hate cars as well
No other parties are in the running I don't think

Can I ask what you mean by ‘keep the NHS’? Do you believe we’d end up with an American style system?

Again, it’s worth doing research rather than just listen to social media. Reform are on the record that they are not looking at anything like the USA but something closer to France which has some of the best performance metrics in the world. Why are people opposed to even having this discussion? Our NHS model is utterly broken and dysfunctional- it astonishes me that people think we can simply pour more money into it and that will somehow fix it. Labour spoke of ‘no more cash for the NHS without reform’ before the election but they are not reforming it, they are just rearranging the deckchairs on a sinking ship.

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