Immigration and the green party

[Honeybunny75]

I've always voted green,but probably not really looked as closely as I should of done at their policies.
They are saying they want a world with open borders .
I was just looking at their immigration policy.
How will that work, welcoming anyone who wants to come here ,how will that work when there's no houses to put them in .
I read recently that a huge amount of brits are homeless and in temporary accommodation waiting for a home ..so I can't see how we can take endless people in ...much as we may want to house the whole world,we are a small island

What's mad, is bat shit propaganda from the right (OP is a Reform voter) .

Greens propose phasing out private landlords making huge profits from renters, ask any fucking renter and they think that's a great idea!

How do you do that? Its 20% of the rental market, so 8 out of 10 renters aren't even impacted- you phase it out so landlords get out the game, (keep the flats empty / sell them ) or convert to highly regulated fair rent , fixed tenancy , (convert them to effective council flats in other words) no-one is getting their property 'taken from them'

Instead here we propose a system of managed migration, with visas and rules

But that is already in place?

From their migration policy
MG100
The green party wants to see a world without borders.
In an ideal world most boarder controls would not exist

Is that supposed to be an insult...op is a reform voter ..
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I'm not actually decided yet for the next election..but if reform change some policies,who knows

The NHS has been declining in performance since 2010. The last report I can see of it being quoted as among the most efficient was in 2017.

Moreover, how do you explain stagnant productivity despite increasing funding?

Im not making a party political point either. Labour seem to understand the Herculean challenge they face.

It depends where you look and what parameters have been measured but you and I both know that the UK ranks up there globally with an efficient healthcare system so for you to say 'The NHS is notoriously inefficient' is blatantly untrue. It is not 'notoriously inefficient'. Could it be more efficient? Probably. Should we be spending more on it? Definitely!
As to reasons why it is declining in performance? It is the aging and sicker population (all those people born during the boom years are getting older and sicker and the generations below them are not exactly living healthy lifestyles conducive to cheap healthcare). We have also seen a decline in the care sector traditionally provided by local councils (thanks Tories) which puts more pressure on the NHS.
Then there are the amazing and expensive advances in medicine which are increasingly complex and of course prolong the lives of the aging and sick population.
The impact of the existence of the NHS on drug prices is in itself extraordinary. There are not many organisations in the world with the buying power of the NHS. Do not for one second think a private company would get a good deal on drug prices (see the USA and Trumps recent fit over drug costs). It is either horribly naïve or deliberately stupid to think the private sector could do a better job (look at the excellent job private companies have done with water, the railways, energy companies etc). Anyway derailing the thread which was not about the NHS so I will leave it there.

They could also offer market rate, compulsory purchase, ban you from renting it out so you'd either have to keep it or sell it on the open market... What next? Some rich property owners could hoard property as they do now until they're forced to take market rates for the place.

The rest has not been suggested in anyway.

BUT IT NOT POLICY

Stop spreading lies.

What planet are you on .
Look it up
It is policy

I did,

In case you missed my last post they state, you are spreading mis-information.

'In the Green Party we are not normally shy of making policies for our ideal world. However to unilaterally remove our border controls seems a step too far and is a tough sell on the doorsteps. Instead here we propose a system of managed migration, with visas and rules. This will enable us to welcome migrants to the UK and treat them with dignity, and to also not dismantle the system of control in case we need to restrict movement in the future for whatever reason.'

He was an actor at the time and the ‘client’ was a Sun journalist. I joined the Green Party in April. I have no intention of voting Labour again.

The Spectator is a far-right comic.

But ultimately they state they want a world without borders
You keep leaving that bit out when you quote them .
It's the first line before the bits you post .
Why don't you start your own thread instead of trying to disrupt this one

He was lots of things including being an actor but he was also a hypnotherapist and it was in this context that the Sun journalist approached him.

I recently quit. I used to be a party member. Never actually voted for them in government election. But they were being a right coo coo pain in the bum a few years back with their lady penis stuff and I signed up to have some influence on their leadership elections.

Didn’t actually vote for this Zach guy so not sure when he was voted in. As I said lost interest and stopped membership.

The thing you have to be most worried about with reform is that the underlying principle is the great replacement fear. They want to stop white indigenous britains from being a minority at all costs!

At this point that’s mathematically impossible to do unless we do mass deportations and also increase our birth rate (ie. Abortion restrictions/ bans).

These are dangerous people. They arent wrong that we have created a potential fucking nightmare for ourselves but there’s no going back. We are going to have to be smarter and wiser to evade disaster. Someone needs to think irresistible carrot policy not stick. And also pretty much pause all future immigration.

Which is bloody outrageous in itself. As if they let that many people in the last decade that we do probably have to stop all immigration for the foreseeable future. They really have fucked everyone over.

I am currently head in sand about it. I might have to get over it and join reform as party member to try to temper their insanity. But I think that’s a waste of time. These are fear driven policies difficult to change.

In my head anyone who seriously thinks a woman can have a penis,is away with the fairies....so I definitely don't want someone like that as prime minister
They may think they feel like a woman,but as they are male that's actually guess work .

I wouldn’t know, I haven’t read The Sun since 1983.

Well, I haven’t read the Sun ever. That doesn’t mean I can’t find out the actual facts rather than pretending this happened to him as an actor rather than as a hypnotherapist.

The idea that white indigenous people not being ok with being a minority in their country of origin is racist and white supremacist is beyond me.

If I were to suggest that China should be ok about mass white immigration and not allowed to question it, I’d be laughed out of town.

i don’t believe in the great replacement theory but your sneery post is unhelpful.

Well yes exactly. How can a man say he feels like a woman. They have no idea what ‘feeling’ like a woman is. Because they arent a woman.

And even if it was possible and they did ’feel’ like a woman (which it isnt btw! Thats just delusion)…. Even if it was… So what. You aren’t a woman. Simple

It is post truth insanity. I have no time for it anymore. Dont even know how it happened. Made me realise how stupid humanity is. Was quite optimistic about our collective intelligence before hand. I now realise thats not the case. We are very dumb as a group.

I never said it was racist or white supremicist.

Theres nothing sneery about my post at all.

The problem is correct. They are right. I agree with them.

But how do you solve this problem? I know how reform will (mass deportations of settled people and abortion bans) and I dont agree with that.

Your OP statement is mis-information, as in, ITS LIES.

You state Green Party policy on immigration is open borders, no visa, no rules, open to everyone, THAT IS NOT TRUE.

You spun the first line on their website, took the first few words and left out the rest, - The Green Party wants to see a world without borders, until this happens the Green Party will implement a fair and humane system of managed immigration where people can move if they wish to do so.

You also say 'I've always voted green,' which is odd as the Greens used to be believe a far more radical manifesto to one they have now...Mmmmm🤔

Again ,what planet are you on
As you openly admit I'm right ,they do they want a world without borders..not lies .
Go and start your own thread instead of trying and failing to cause drama here

And I don't give a rats arse weather u believe I voted green or not
Find your own thread to get worked up over

I completely agree ,and I've not time nor inclination to massage anyone's ego ,who thinks otherwise