"Jihad": A few things don't add up...?

[Beachtastic]

I know it's early days and we don't have much info to go on about the killer at the Manchester synagogue. But this BBC news article is very confusing.

He's described as a "35-year-old British citizen of Syrian descent" who "was granted British citizenship in 2006 when he was around the age of 16" ... my maths is shit, but 2025 minus 2006 = 19...? Other articles says he was a minor when he was given citizenship.

Apparently he was "on police bail after being arrested on suspicion of rape at the time of the killings" but "was not charged with the offence."

His parents, understandably, have made a strong statement distancing themselves from his actions, but the article goes on to say:

A post on his father's Facebook page, which has been verified by the BBC, appears to praise the 7 October attack by Hamas.
... The post reads: "The scenes broadcast by the Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades showing a group of fighters storming an occupation army camp with simple means, balloons and motorcycles, prove beyond any doubt that Israel is not here to stay.
"Men like these prove that they are Allah's men on earth, regardless of who leads them, they are the true compass for men confident in their victory, even if their resources are few."

It also says his father is a surgeon... and that "Jihad" was his birth name.

I'm not sure where to begin processing all this information, if it's true. Quite surprised to find it reported by the BBC to be honest.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0q7y72kppgo

Then why do we see terms like 'waging Jihad' against things and people?

According to this dictionary while it may mean a struggle for self-growth it's not the only meaning

We already heard on the other thread how they might treat a Jewish patient. Badly or not at all

Why these doctors and medics with these views arent struck off I dont know.

I think that's the "lesser jihad" -- as performed by people who are not inclined to "the spiritual and moral effort to overcome one's own ego, temptations, and harmful impulses."

The NHS has a few antisemitic doctors in its ranks. Look up Rahmeh Aladwan. She gave a speech in Leeds a few weeks ago inciting people to take up armed resistance against Jewish schools and synagogues. She's also claimed the British government is occupied by Jews and talks about Jewish supremacy

The general medical council deem her fit to practice though

Yes, this is a worry.

Its disgusting

Not sure @crumpetswithcheezewas being entirely earnest there @Beachtastic

His name is not important.
His actions and his father's post are.

You might be surprised to know that many Hindus are called " Aryan". They sre not Nazis. Has a different meaning.

Mossad agent innit. The conclusion always drawn by people who do their research on Instagram.

The Biased Broadcasting Company are selective in what they broadcast

OP what are the things you thought didnt add up (apart from the age thing)

That's me! they rely on me for all sorts of complex calculations 🤡

I'm neither Muslin or Jewish but I find it quite odd that you didn't research your post. Other posters have corrected you but it really is strange that you posted without double checking yourself first.

Are we really sure there are doctors in the NHS with antisemitic intent to cause harm?
I find that very hard to understand.

And 35 years ago, in 1990, when this man was born, which of those 3 meanings do you think he might have been named for? I would hazard a guess the first.

Edited because I have caught OP's shit maths!

Re his name, its worth looking at what was going on in Syria 35 years ago. They were still under the Assad regime, the fact they’ve left/arrived as refugees kind of suggests things were hard and maybe life was a struggle, maybe perseverance was a good attribute. Just throwing some ideas out there.

No one said they had intent to cause harm but their public incitement to violence against a vulnerable minor doesn't instill confidence

It looks like they want to get other people to commit harm on their behalf

The age thing (now corrected)

The rape thing (now corrected); I wasn't sure if the lack of charges was another "let's not provoke racism" thing. Sorry for my ignorance as to how the law works in this regard.

The father thing (still find this a frightening mismatch of intentions, TBH)

Just a general impression that it might be possible for dangerous people, and not just individuals, to pursue radical Islamist ideology without detection in the UK.

Again, I stress that I am NOT talking about Muslims in general. I have every respect for the Islam faith, but aggressive distortions of it are terrifying (just as Christianity was in its "heyday").

Jihad means struggle or striving in Arabic, and in religious contexts the striving to behave devoutly. The context in which it's known in English is religious armed struggle, because that's what makes the news, but it's not actually the main meaning of the word.

It might be foolish to call a child in an English speaking country "jihad" today, because of how the term is understood. But he was named 35 years ago, long before 9/11 etc. His common Arabic name does not mean his parents are extremists! (And the family have condemned his actions).

Yes I have a Persian BIL called Arya and the origin is the same.

I also knew a family who called their baby boy Jihad, but ostensibly that was because he was premature and struggled to survive. I am dubious though. 🤨

It certainly is possible. The authorities can only know so much, these people are protected by like minded others

I said on the other thread (wasnt sure why that closed, only opened it up again this afternoon, was it full?) that I bet he was being monitored by Prevent. Now it turns out that he wasnt and they didnt know.

Interesting.

Are you kidding? Even Sexual assault doesn’t seem to be a problem according to the GMC. It’s hard to think of much that they deem serious enough to prevent a doctor practising.

If it’s not an emergency always google the doctor carefully and search for any court cases - add word ‘negligence’ to your search and if in discussion you find them creepy or sexist etc ensure you’re chaperoned or find another doctor.

To be honest, I think we need to start being much more explicit about separating radical Islam from "Muslim" as it is an entirely different thing, as evidenced by the subtle meanings of the name/word "Jihad."

Until we can do this, and are geared up to tackle it honestly, confusion and racism/fear of racism will go on causing mayhem.

Perhaps not for this thread but I never know what is meant by 'have respect for x faith'

I dont respect any faith in the same way I dont respect views which I see as harmful. I respect some people and some of those may have a faith. But I wouldnt say I carte blanche respect a faith in that way

Islam of all the religions anyway was born out of war, the leader and founder was a tribal warrior and its quite an aggressive proselytising faith which I do not respect at all.

There are anti-semites within the medical profession and this is pretty well tolerated apparently: https://www.thejc.com/news/uk/doctor-jewish-supremacy-rahmeh-aladwan-gmc-mpts-i4xxbxxt